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Message: <blockquote data-quote="AbdulAlhazred" data-source="post: 6658506" data-attributes="member: 82106">So, to paraphrase "I'm right because I spin WotC's game business to be some sort of endorsement of my position, even though nobody has any hard facts whatsoever, and you're opinion is poopy because... I say so!" lol.I stick to plain undeniable facts, nothing else. I could drag out all the various things that were known through the years, but I really am tired of the whole debate. Clearly you feel you were 'owed' something by WotC for having the gall to print 4e, and yet I've no business having any issues with 5e. Its amusing, but only for a few minutes. Now, I bring up 4e in these debates sometimes, but only because I am interested contrast and comparison of game systems, play styles, etc. I don't give a crud about who got their feelings hurt 7 years ago or hearing about the same old stories about how we hated this or that. Its best to stick to talking about what it is, how it works, why it works that way, and what the results are. Anything else is pretty much just an aggravation to the people who probably only want to talk about those things.</blockquote>