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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 6660693" data-attributes="member: 42582"><p>In 4e there are no systematic rules for turning creatures into a swarm.</p><p></p><p>Of course, there aren't systematic rules for transitioning between elite/standard/solo/minion either, but at least there are some models to be followed in the DMG (eg minion orcs and ogres compared to standard ones) and there can be the idea of keeping the XP total the same, as some vague measure of ingame potency.</p><p></p><p>When it came to designing my hobgoblin phalanx swarms, or the various demon swarms I've used in my game, I looked at other swarm designs, came up with something that seemed mechanically on-level and had the right sort of flavour (eg my hobgoblin swarm could "absorb" an adjacent hobgoblin minion to regenerate), and relied on the broader fiction to carry the weight of it.</p><p></p><p>I tended to assume three to four hobgoblins per square in my phalanxes, so 30-ish hobgoblins in a 3x3 phalanx and 50-ish in a 4x4 phalanx. (From memory, the former were 13th level and the latter 16th.)</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 6660693, member: 42582"] In 4e there are no systematic rules for turning creatures into a swarm. Of course, there aren't systematic rules for transitioning between elite/standard/solo/minion either, but at least there are some models to be followed in the DMG (eg minion orcs and ogres compared to standard ones) and there can be the idea of keeping the XP total the same, as some vague measure of ingame potency. When it came to designing my hobgoblin phalanx swarms, or the various demon swarms I've used in my game, I looked at other swarm designs, came up with something that seemed mechanically on-level and had the right sort of flavour (eg my hobgoblin swarm could "absorb" an adjacent hobgoblin minion to regenerate), and relied on the broader fiction to carry the weight of it. I tended to assume three to four hobgoblins per square in my phalanxes, so 30-ish hobgoblins in a 3x3 phalanx and 50-ish in a 4x4 phalanx. (From memory, the former were 13th level and the latter 16th.) [/QUOTE]
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