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<blockquote data-quote="Celtavian" data-source="post: 6663325" data-attributes="member: 5834">It is the DM's responsibility to ensure people are having fun. It is in fact your number one job. Why do you feel that my group is dysfunctional? My group has been together for over thirty years. No one is this perfect example of harmony so many seem to paint on here. They're people with different tastes and reasons for gaming. Why would you expect one guy to have fun in the same way as the other guy? Do you really seek a group so close in personality that they achieve gaming fun in the same fashion? I find all this &quot;goals of play&quot; talk and &quot;everyone is responsible for the fun of others&quot; strange. Guys read the books. They get bored playing the same concepts over and over again when you've been playing as along as we have. They're always searching for some cool concept to try that involves some power concept they like. It makes the game new for them. I allow it as long as it is not breaking the game meaning making it trivial.Gaming attracts odd personalities. Often opinionated and independent minded people. Making them responsible for each other's fun is a bit too much to ask. We're all long time buddies. We've come to accept each others differences even if we don't like them. I always figured gaming groups come to accept the foibles of others as much as they enjoy the commonalties. I don't expect my players and they don't expect me when I play to create my character with their fun in mind. They expect me to create my character with my fun in mind. If I'm not enjoying my character, then I'm not having fun. The reason I put so much on the DM is because if the DM isn't creating a fun adventure, the entire group is dead in the water. They're bored no matter how well they constructed a party to have fun. DM failure is the number one reason games fail.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celtavian, post: 6663325, member: 5834"] It is the DM's responsibility to ensure people are having fun. It is in fact your number one job. Why do you feel that my group is dysfunctional? My group has been together for over thirty years. No one is this perfect example of harmony so many seem to paint on here. They're people with different tastes and reasons for gaming. Why would you expect one guy to have fun in the same way as the other guy? Do you really seek a group so close in personality that they achieve gaming fun in the same fashion? I find all this "goals of play" talk and "everyone is responsible for the fun of others" strange. Guys read the books. They get bored playing the same concepts over and over again when you've been playing as along as we have. They're always searching for some cool concept to try that involves some power concept they like. It makes the game new for them. I allow it as long as it is not breaking the game meaning making it trivial. Gaming attracts odd personalities. Often opinionated and independent minded people. Making them responsible for each other's fun is a bit too much to ask. We're all long time buddies. We've come to accept each others differences even if we don't like them. I always figured gaming groups come to accept the foibles of others as much as they enjoy the commonalties. I don't expect my players and they don't expect me when I play to create my character with their fun in mind. They expect me to create my character with my fun in mind. If I'm not enjoying my character, then I'm not having fun. The reason I put so much on the DM is because if the DM isn't creating a fun adventure, the entire group is dead in the water. They're bored no matter how well they constructed a party to have fun. DM failure is the number one reason games fail. [/QUOTE]

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