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<blockquote data-quote="EzekielRaiden" data-source="post: 6667408" data-attributes="member: 6790260">I've never understood why &quot;lots of numbers to add&quot; equates to &quot;complex game.&quot;The hundred+ pages of spells, on the other hand, definitely communicates &quot;complex game&quot; to me. Just as &quot;8-12 pages of powers per class&quot; communicates &quot;complex&quot; game. It may not be frighteningly complex, but it's definitely not &quot;lite.&quot; Dungeon World is lite. Compared to DW, 5e is imperceptibly different from 3e and 4e.To give some explanation, for anyone unfamiliar with DW: the absolutely most complex classes in the game (Cleric and Wizard) have a single extra double-sided character sheet, which includes everything you can do, spell-wise (not just a list of spell names, the effects of those spells too). Normally, characters are a single double-sided character sheet; casters are two double-sided pages. Any (default) character who acquires spellcasting does so by taking a move that lets them cast as a Cleric (of one level lower--Druids, Paladins, and Rangers), so you just add the Cleric spell list to your character sheet. &quot;Multiclassing&quot; is as simple as taking a move from another class, either because you have a Multiclass Move on your character's options, or because the DM gives the OK.By comparison, every version of D&amp;D I've ever played (2e, 3e, 4e, 5e playtest, and B/X) is dramatically more complex.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="EzekielRaiden, post: 6667408, member: 6790260"] I've never understood why "lots of numbers to add" equates to "complex game." The hundred+ pages of spells, on the other hand, definitely communicates "complex game" to me. Just as "8-12 pages of powers per class" communicates "complex" game. It may not be frighteningly complex, but it's definitely not "lite." Dungeon World is lite. Compared to DW, 5e is imperceptibly different from 3e and 4e. To give some explanation, for anyone unfamiliar with DW: the absolutely most complex classes in the game (Cleric and Wizard) have a single extra double-sided character sheet, which includes [I]everything[/I] you can do, spell-wise (not just a list of spell names, the effects of those spells too). Normally, characters are a single double-sided character sheet; casters are two double-sided pages. Any (default) character who acquires spellcasting does so by taking a move that lets them cast as a Cleric (of one level lower--Druids, Paladins, and Rangers), so you just add the Cleric spell list to your character sheet. "Multiclassing" is as simple as taking a move from another class, either because you have a Multiclass Move on your character's options, or because the DM gives the OK. By comparison, every version of D&D I've ever played (2e, 3e, 4e, 5e playtest, and B/X) is dramatically more complex. [/QUOTE]

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