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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 7503651" data-attributes="member: 22779">You're missing my point. It's not that the fighter has to be the best.&nbsp; That's fine.&nbsp; But, the fighter brings zero to the table that another class doesn't and that other class brings a heck of a lot more to the table than any fighter possibly could.Whoopee, by level 6, you've got one extra feat.&nbsp; Wow.&nbsp; Color me impressed.&nbsp; The ranger or the paladin by that point have 6 spells per day.&nbsp; There is no feat that's going to come anywhere near the versatility of that.&nbsp; Never minding all the other goodies either class gets.&nbsp; From what I see, fighter is the dip class.&nbsp; You take a couple of levels of fighter to buff up your fighting, but, your actual class?&nbsp; Naw that's almost always something else.And, btw, how do you get Expertise in Athletics?&nbsp; Where is that from?&nbsp; Is that an Unearthed Arcana thing?&nbsp; I seem to recall a bunch of feats UA some time ago, but, we haven't actually used any of them.&nbsp; But, in any case, of your 6 skills, 3 tools and languages, only TWO of those skills actually came from your class and one tool.&nbsp; It's always difficult to have this conversation when people start mixing their race/background packages into the mix to try to make fighters sound better than they are.&nbsp; I mean, look at it like this.&nbsp; If you changed your class to ranger or paladin, would you have more or less skills than you have currently?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 7503651, member: 22779"] You're missing my point. It's not that the fighter has to be the best. That's fine. But, the fighter brings zero to the table that another class doesn't and that other class brings a heck of a lot more to the table than any fighter possibly could. Whoopee, by level 6, you've got one extra feat. Wow. Color me impressed. The ranger or the paladin by that point have 6 spells per day. There is no feat that's going to come anywhere near the versatility of that. Never minding all the other goodies either class gets. From what I see, fighter is the dip class. You take a couple of levels of fighter to buff up your fighting, but, your actual class? Naw that's almost always something else. And, btw, how do you get Expertise in Athletics? Where is that from? Is that an Unearthed Arcana thing? I seem to recall a bunch of feats UA some time ago, but, we haven't actually used any of them. But, in any case, of your 6 skills, 3 tools and languages, only TWO of those skills actually came from your class and one tool. It's always difficult to have this conversation when people start mixing their race/background packages into the mix to try to make fighters sound better than they are. I mean, look at it like this. If you changed your class to ranger or paladin, would you have more or less skills than you have currently? [/QUOTE]

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