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<blockquote data-quote="StreamOfTheSky" data-source="post: 5332796" data-attributes="member: 35909">Last night I was actually thinking... with the elimination of the concentration skill (which most monks never had a use for anyway), just how much does Con really affect things for a monk?&nbsp; Might be interesting to replace that and have a Str, Dex, Wis class.HP: For every HD you gain as a monk, you can use wisdom instead of Con for bonus hp.Fort saves: Not sure this needs a replacement, monks already get the good base save.Death and Dying: Problematic, since in PF you die at -Con Score and the stabilization roll is con-based.&nbsp; Not sure the best way to replace this, probably just use wisdom or something.Toughness in 3E was a feat to take for a 1st level character in a one-shot core-only game, which are not entirely uncommon.&nbsp; Given those parameters, Toughness can actually rise to the level of a &quot;good&quot; feat, even.In any case, a crappy feat is not the same as an entire class sucking.&nbsp; PF was a re-do of 3E, I'm not very sympathetic that they left the monk a sub-par class still.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="StreamOfTheSky, post: 5332796, member: 35909"] Last night I was actually thinking... with the elimination of the concentration skill (which most monks never had a use for anyway), just how much does Con really affect things for a monk? Might be interesting to replace that and have a Str, Dex, Wis class. HP: For every HD you gain as a monk, you can use wisdom instead of Con for bonus hp. Fort saves: Not sure this needs a replacement, monks already get the good base save. Death and Dying: Problematic, since in PF you die at -Con Score and the stabilization roll is con-based. Not sure the best way to replace this, probably just use wisdom or something. Toughness in 3E was a feat to take for a 1st level character in a one-shot core-only game, which are not entirely uncommon. Given those parameters, Toughness can actually rise to the level of a "good" feat, even. In any case, a crappy feat is not the same as an entire class sucking. PF was a re-do of 3E, I'm not very sympathetic that they left the monk a sub-par class still. [/QUOTE]

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