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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Newt" data-source="post: 5367417" data-attributes="member: 97804">I remember a feat from a non-core WotC book somewhere giving you Wis to attack instead of Str, can never remember the name of it when I'm in "build a Monk" mood though, which I currently am. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue    :P"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" /> Or it could have been Wis instead of Con.. Probably in one of the pisonic books, they got more love than Monks ever did.I do like the idea of needing Dex, Wis, Str, Con though. More for the theme than mechanically, theme wise it's brilliant. The elite of the elite, above mere mortals. Mechanically it's a b***h. Could leave them for a high powered game where people start with better than normal stats? Or one of those "roll 4d6 6 times, take out the lowest number for each", generally gives at least one 18 and no low scores, even better when you can move points around at a 1:1 ratio. 18 Wis, 18 Str, 16 Dex, 14 Con, 12 Int, 10 Cha? 10 Int if Human, and could completely drop Cha realistically.My perfect Monk is gestalt with Fighter, Rogue, Assassin, possibly Hellbreaker levels anyway. And a class that gives Dimension Door more than once.. Still looking for that. Mental movie turns into thought experiment turns into quite a bit of reading. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue    :P"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" />About to get highly off topic, but the one character where MAD fits thematically is Monk. Save them for NPC's and high powered games. Or start reading non-core books and don't do an unarmed Monk. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":P" title="Stick out tongue    :P"  data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":P" /> Especially after that no Improved Natural Attack rubbish.</blockquote>

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