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<blockquote data-quote="Hussar" data-source="post: 3410026" data-attributes="member: 22779">This is why I complained about RC taking me out of context in the other thread.&nbsp; The problem isn't that there is a single throw away encounter, it's that the entire region is WAY under EL'd.&nbsp; Most encounters are at -2 or -3 below the recommended level.&nbsp; It's only the end boss monster that actually fits with the CR.I didn't read the module closely enough to notice this (I barely read it at all honestly) before running it.&nbsp; Thus, I didn't do my prep and ensure that the encounters were roughly on par with the party.&nbsp; Bad design led to a cakewalk adventure, not bad mechanics.On the whole time thing, I think it has to do with a group being willing to actually learn the combat rules.&nbsp; I ran an encounter a few sessions ago with 4 mobs, 2 Formian Taskmasters, 1 Formian Myrmarch, a pair of destrachan and a bullette in about an hour.&nbsp; That's nearly 200 opponents and the party consists of 6 PC's as well as a cohort.&nbsp; Just as a point about the dragon that was mentioned.&nbsp; It's a 12th level adventure and the dragon is CR 14, in an easily accessable location and clearly visible from multiple locations.&nbsp; The party can pretty much dictate the timing of the encounter.&nbsp; An EL +2 encounter isn't all that much more difficult to begin with, and one in which the PC's can prep to their heart's content is just that much easier.&nbsp; Again, it was more a case of poor design, rather than problems with the mechanics.Running high level 3e is more difficult than low level.&nbsp; I won't argue differently.&nbsp; If you are going to play in high level campaigns, you really can't have casual players.&nbsp; It just doesn't work.&nbsp; Players have to be on the ball and know what their characters can do and the DM has to have a good grasp on mechanics as well.&nbsp; Much more than low level play where the DM can do most of the grunt work for any or all the other players at the table, high level play becomes a group effort.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Hussar, post: 3410026, member: 22779"] This is why I complained about RC taking me out of context in the other thread. The problem isn't that there is a single throw away encounter, it's that the entire region is WAY under EL'd. Most encounters are at -2 or -3 below the recommended level. It's only the end boss monster that actually fits with the CR. I didn't read the module closely enough to notice this (I barely read it at all honestly) before running it. Thus, I didn't do my prep and ensure that the encounters were roughly on par with the party. Bad design led to a cakewalk adventure, not bad mechanics. On the whole time thing, I think it has to do with a group being willing to actually learn the combat rules. I ran an encounter a few sessions ago with 4 mobs, 2 Formian Taskmasters, 1 Formian Myrmarch, a pair of destrachan and a bullette in about an hour. That's nearly 200 opponents and the party consists of 6 PC's as well as a cohort. Just as a point about the dragon that was mentioned. It's a 12th level adventure and the dragon is CR 14, in an easily accessable location and clearly visible from multiple locations. The party can pretty much dictate the timing of the encounter. An EL +2 encounter isn't all that much more difficult to begin with, and one in which the PC's can prep to their heart's content is just that much easier. Again, it was more a case of poor design, rather than problems with the mechanics. Running high level 3e is more difficult than low level. I won't argue differently. If you are going to play in high level campaigns, you really can't have casual players. It just doesn't work. Players have to be on the ball and know what their characters can do and the DM has to have a good grasp on mechanics as well. Much more than low level play where the DM can do most of the grunt work for any or all the other players at the table, high level play becomes a group effort. [/QUOTE]

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