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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Zardnaar" data-source="post: 7138341" data-attributes="member: 6716779">This thread is about why Greyhawk is loved over something like FR is "hated", at least online. IRL FR wins the loved award. Note this is just IMHO.1. GH is less over exposed.  GH has a lot less material than FR and it has functionally been on life support since the late 80's with slight stirring in 2E and 3E. Since less people are familiar with GH less people are gonna hate it even if the ratio of love/hate is the same as say FR. 2. I suspect the ration of GH fans that love/hate the setting is less than say FR. Basically these days if you like Greyhawk or are familiar with it it means you are either a hard core fan or made the effort to look it up, either way you are probably more inclined to like the setting than the casual player who is more likely to be way more familiar with FR. Odds are you either played AD&D back in the day or are new with an interest in AD&D. Anyone who doesn't like GH probably left to FR or another setting long ago.3. GH fans are way more likely to ignore/be unfamiliar with canon.  The hardcore GH fans basically ignore everything after the 1983 GH boxed set such as the Greyhawk Wars and the 1990's GH line. 1985 would also be another cut off point with everything after that either ignored or being very selective as to what is incorporated into the setting. 1985 being when Gary left TSR and the year Temple of Elemental Evil was printed. 4. The classic D&D adventures are associated with Greyhawk. Expedition to the Barrier Peaks, Greyhawk, Temple of Elemental Evil, Greyhawk, Vault of the Drow, Greyhawk, Tomb of Horrors, Greyhawk, Against the Giants, Greyhawk. Even the 3 APs in Dungeon in 3E- Shackled City, Savage Tide, Are of Worms all Greyhawk.5. Classic D&D PHB names, Greyhawk- Bigby, Mordenkainen (AKA Gary's PC), Melf, Tenser, Nystal etc. From the DMG Vecna and Kas. 6. Drow used to be kewl before they were over exposed. They originated in Erelhei- Cinlu not Menzoberranzan. 7. Its more subtle than FR. Drow would be one example and GH has a lower power level than FR and epic levels were really level 10-14 no level 29 wizards floating around or big bads being elder brains with 42 levels. Its grim and grim and gritty, less cartoony.8. A lot of D&Disms even if they no longer apply originate in GH. Paladins are LG, Rangers are heroic, Dwarves and Elves don't like each other, monsters are there to be slain and looted.</blockquote>

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