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<blockquote data-quote="hastur_nz" data-source="post: 7140562" data-attributes="member: 40592">I loved GH, not just because it represents all the old-school D&amp;D philosophies (which are not necessarily an asset these days), but primarily because when I read the AD&amp;D DMG, and the original Greyhawk Boxed Set, it all made sense, not just the present world, but the (limited) back-story that went with it.&nbsp; Like for example, the world was once greater than it is now, full of elven magic, dwarven greatness, and so on; now it's crumbled and fraying at the edges.&nbsp; The human tribes were once in different places, with different cultures, and once Vecna ruled a huge portion the Flanaess, etc etc.&nbsp; The great echoes of the past were still very much felt in the present day.&nbsp; It totally supported the default, old-school D&amp;D &quot;find ancient, crumbling ruin, avoid its traps and monsters, get the loot&quot; way of playing, with a good back-story that wasn't taken straight from Tolkien (more like R E Howard).Last thing I liked - while most of the human tribes were obviously modeled on real-world tropes, I feel they were really well done (not over-done), unlike the mess I see in FR which just feels stupid like every part of the real world needs a similar place in FR so much so that it doesn't even feel like Fantasy any more.For me, Greyhawk always did and still does make a lot more sense, when you sit down and think about it.&nbsp; The cities and towns are the right scale for a fantasy-medieval type of setting, they seem set in the right places, with enough wilderness etc between them.&nbsp; I can't help but look at parts of the FR and think it really doesn't make sense even if you try and say &quot;it's supported by magic&quot; or whatever (e.g. Waterdeep, a stupidly huge over-populated city supported by trade, but with who and how?)p.s. I haven't actually run a GH game since 3.5 days, except for Age of Worms converted to 5e.&nbsp; It's always been a setting that I'm the only one who knows anything about it, which is fine if you have a strong campaign plot, but I don't do whole-cloth home-brew these days.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="hastur_nz, post: 7140562, member: 40592"] I loved GH, not just because it represents all the old-school D&D philosophies (which are not necessarily an asset these days), but primarily because when I read the AD&D DMG, and the original Greyhawk Boxed Set, it all made sense, not just the present world, but the (limited) back-story that went with it. Like for example, the world was once greater than it is now, full of elven magic, dwarven greatness, and so on; now it's crumbled and fraying at the edges. The human tribes were once in different places, with different cultures, and once Vecna ruled a huge portion the Flanaess, etc etc. The great echoes of the past were still very much felt in the present day. It totally supported the default, old-school D&D "find ancient, crumbling ruin, avoid its traps and monsters, get the loot" way of playing, with a good back-story that wasn't taken straight from Tolkien (more like R E Howard). Last thing I liked - while most of the human tribes were obviously modeled on real-world tropes, I feel they were really well done (not over-done), unlike the mess I see in FR which just feels stupid like every part of the real world needs a similar place in FR so much so that it doesn't even feel like Fantasy any more. For me, Greyhawk always did and still does make a lot more sense, when you sit down and think about it. The cities and towns are the right scale for a fantasy-medieval type of setting, they seem set in the right places, with enough wilderness etc between them. I can't help but look at parts of the FR and think it really doesn't make sense even if you try and say "it's supported by magic" or whatever (e.g. Waterdeep, a stupidly huge over-populated city supported by trade, but with who and how?) p.s. I haven't actually run a GH game since 3.5 days, except for Age of Worms converted to 5e. It's always been a setting that I'm the only one who knows anything about it, which is fine if you have a strong campaign plot, but I don't do whole-cloth home-brew these days. [/QUOTE]

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