Why have all the fanesy books i've read on recommendation from enworld sucked?

Femerus the Gnecro said:
Boy, that fourth Earthsea book really did suck didn't it?

Gotta agree with you on that one :)

Femerus the Gnecro said:
I'm a huge Wheel of Time fan myself, though I realize that it's very much an acquired taste.

My experience was actually 100% the opposite - liked it to start with, but gradually got more and more disenchanted (and eventually disgusted) with the series as a whole.

Femerus the Gnecro said:
Oh yes... Mary Stewart! Her Merlin trilogy (I guess it's not a trilogy with the release of 'Wicked Day' a few years ago, but whatever) is FANTASTIC. Definitely one of the series that got me into fantasy lit in the first place.

'Wicked Day' is actually a separate chronology to the Merlin trilogy. It's a damn fine novel, though, and well worth a read as a slightly different approach to the Arthurian legend.

Oh! Another suggestion just occurred to me - Olive might like to try Morgan Llewellyn's books. I have enjoyed Llewellyn's work in the past.
 

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I've mentioned it in a few other threads but Piers Anthony's Incarnations of Immortality was a great read. He got an easy-flowing style and a good sense of humor in those books...
 

Here's a list of authors I like:

George R. R Martin
David Gemmell
Robert Jordan
David Gemmell
David Eddings
David Gemmell
Tad Williams
Did I mention David Gemmell?
Terry Brooks
David Farland
Terry Goodkind
C. S. Friedman
Paul Kidd

And many, many more that I can't think of right now.

If you don't like these guys, I am very, very sorry, for I have gotten YEARS of enjoyment out of the above authors that I wouldn't replace with anything - including sex! :D
 

Capellan said:
I'm going to break from tradition and on this thread and not recommend George R R Martin, because I suspect that if you dislike Robert Jordan (a sentiment I can wholly agree with) then you might not be Martin's biggest fan, either.

And I'll respectfully disagree with that assessment. Different writing styles and very different stories. Jordan has built a wonderful fantasy world in a fairly traditional sense that, sadly, he has no idea how to end. His characters have fallen, sadly, into cliche. While that's not necessarily bad, the fact that they have overstayed their welcome by about 4-5 books makes it a problem.

Martin has a grippin story that strives more for realism than fantasy conventions - though fantasy conventions do exist in his story, they are just downplayed. Martin's characters and how they are portrayed are eons apart from Jordan and the way he presents his. Plus there is an endgame in sight - Martin wants 6 books - maybe 7.

Add me to the ones who recommend GRRM. The guy is simply a great writer. Not just a great fantasy writer.

You didn't like Leiber? That's too bad, he's sort of like Tolkien as far as being one of the pioneers of the genre.
 

Martin is great.

But so are Vance, Leiber and Moorcock.

Don't care for Gemmel, Eddings or Weiss & Hickman.

It's all very personal, like Eric said.
 

Here’s my recommendations. Even though I shouldn’t have to say this, please bear in mind that this is all my opinion. In no particular order:

Robert Jordan: I was a huge, huge fan until about book 6, in which not a damn thing was resolved or moved forward. I am now convinced that Jordan is a money-grubbing hack padding his series out to make maximum cash. Pity.

Terry Goodkind: Utter, shameless drivel.

David Eddings: Light reading, but The Belgariad was loads of fun – I’ve read it front to back several times. His other series aren’t much worth reading.

Ursula LeGuin: Possibly the greatest living SF writer. Her original Earthsea trilogy is splendid, though I’ve not read book 4.

Glen Cook: I don’t find the Black Company stuff to be as compelling as some do, partly because I find the alliterative names irksome and distracting. But they’re certainly gritty, and there are some fine ideas in there.

Katherine Kurtz: The first two Deryni trilogies were very good, though subsequent ones have been a touch overwritten. Still enjoyable and reccommended, but take note: there are a lot of unhappy endings in this series, where Bad Stuff happens to likeable characters.

Poul Anderson: I love his SF work. His King of Ys series is very ambitious, and richly written. I found it tough going.

Robert E. Howard: The original Conan stories (not the pastiches by other authors) are some of my favorites. There’s a reason why Conan has become such an icon.

Jack Vance: One of the finest prose stylists in the field. The Dying Earth and Lyonesse series are where to start, but his SF is pulpy-good too.

Gene Wolfe: I have the whole Book of the New Sun, but lost interest after the first book. I’ll try again some day.

Roger Zelazny: The first five Amber books should be required reading. I also enjoyed Changeling. His best work, though, is Lord of Light, one of the greatest SF novels ever written and every bit the equal of Dune. An amazing, amazing book.

L. E. Modesitt, Jr.: The only thing I’ve read was The Magic of Recluse which I though was quite fresh and enjoyable.

Stephen Donaldson: His stuff is dreadfully overwritten, but I’ve yet to pick up anything of his that I’ve been able to put down. It’s a car wreck I can’t tear my eyes away from.

Jennifer Roberson: Her Cheysuli books were well-written and reasonably fresh.

Joel Rosenberg: I’ve met him. He’s a cretin. My view of his work must sadly be colored by this knowledge.

Michael Moorcock: The Elric stuff is central to the modern genre and should be read by anyone with a serious interest. I like much of his stuff (the Elric, Corum, Hawkmoon, Von Bek and Eternal Champion sequences,) while other stuff (the Cornelius Chronicles) leaves me cold. I am also a fan of his work with Blue Oyster Cult and Hawkwind.

Mercedes Lackey: Generally considered a hack. I have no opinion, since I’ve not read any of her stuff.

Marion Zimmer Bradley: I think The Mists of Avalon is a great book. Her later fantasies are hard to stomach.

Katherine Kerr: I liked the first four-book Deverry sequence very much. I am waiting for the third series to all be out in paperback before reading any further. For those who don’t know, she’s a gamer – she used to write articles for Dragon, back in the Day.

Terry Pratchett: A genius. I loathe humorous fantasy and SF. His stuff is the exception.

George R. R. Martin: The first two books in his series are terrific. However, the thing was originally supposed to be a trilogy. Then it was supposed to be 4 books, then 5. Now it’s six books, with a 2-3 year delay between volumes. And King_Stannis says it may be seven. I hereby throw up my hands and refuse to read further until the entire series it out. I really, really hope that this series doesn’t become another Jordanesque fiasco.

Fritz Leiber: Not a big fan. I find much of his SF work terribly dated and I think his fantasy tries way to hard to be witty and clever, and usually doesn’t succeed.

Piers Anthony: SF/Fantasy’s most gifted hack. He is a writer with immense talent, but he chooses to squander it writing an endless, fetid stream of Xanth novels and other tripe.

Ray Feist: I liked Magician, and the wrap-up of the original Riftwar series was decent, but his later books have left me dead cold. I drifted off in the middle of the Serpentwar, having lost all interest. His Empire trilogy with Janny Wurtz is quite good.

Dennis L. McKiernan: There’s a reason why his Iron Tower trilogy is a near-clone of LotR – he wanted to write sequels to that series, but the Tolkien folks (understandably) said no. So he wrote an equivalent series, and then wwrote his sequels to that. If you can get through the Iron Tower, these later books aren’t so bad. Light reading.

Steven Brust: The early Jhereg stuff was very enjoyable. The last few have been much less so. But his non-Jhereg stuff is worth looking into. To Reign in Hell is particularly noteworthy.

Terry Brooks: A more important author than some would like to credit. Wholly without talent, orignality or writing skill – I was writing better stuff in my 10th-grade Creative Writing class.

Weis & Hickman: I’ve met Margaret Weis – a very nice lady – so it pains me to say that these books are a joke. Only in the field of game fiction can they be considered anything more than the lowest form of crap.

R. A. Salvatore: Maybe the best writer to come out of “gaming fiction.” By any other standard, a mediocre writer. Usually readable, at least.

Tad Williams: Good, though Memory, Sorrow and Thorn was probably 500 pages longer than it needed to be. A worthwhile read.

I’ve left off some old influences like Eddison, Dunsany, Peake and Cabell. Tolerance to these varies considerably. I thought Eddison was turgid, but I like what Dunsany I’ve read. Someday I will try to tackle Peake again.
 
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Good list, Assenpfeffer....though I can't believe Leiber's not feeling the love today. Some of the stories set in the theives guild of Lankhmar are my favorite!

I share your wariness about the length of Martin's series, especially after getting torched - like I did - on Jordan. I would be buoyed by a few things. First, and IMHO, Martin is simply a more skilled writer than Jordan. That can overcome alot. In the end, I don't think he'll succumb to the temptation that Jordan seems to have succumbed to. He'll end his series with people clamboring for more, I'll wager. We'll see, though.

Plus, he's shown with stories like "The Hedge Knight" that he can write in the same world and yet not be tied to the current series. That would be my wish - wrap of ASoI&F in 6 books (maybe 7 if it is still going strong), but write some novels or novellas set in different periods of his world with different characters.
 

King_Stannis said:
Good list, Assenpfeffer....though I can't believe Leiber's not feeling the love today. Some of the stories set in the theives guild of Lankhmar are my favorite!

Thanks. There are a few stories that I liked, as well. And there's no denying Fafhrd and the Mouser's stature as icons of Sword & Sorcery. But as a whole the series has only a few high points for me.

I share your wariness about the length of Martin's series, especially after getting torched - like I did - on Jordan. I would be buoyed by a few things. First, and IMHO, Martin is simply a more skilled writer than Jordan.

At one point (about when The Fires of Heaven was published,) I would have ranked them as equals. Now I'm forced to agree. Either Jordan is muddling along with no grasp of where his story is headed or he's just cracking out numbers to pump up sales figures. Martin's stuff at least has direction. Stuff actually happens.

That can overcome alot. In the end, I don't think he'll succumb to the temptation that Jordan seems to have succumbed to. He'll end his series with people clamboring for more, I'll wager. We'll see, though.

I hope so, too. Even if he does end it in six, though, we'll have to wait another 4-6 years for the series to end. That's howlingly frustrating.

Plus, he's shown with stories like "The Hedge Knight" that he can write in the same world and yet not be tied to the current series. That would be my wish - wrap of ASoI&F in 6 books (maybe 7 if it is still going strong), but write some novels or novellas set in different periods of his world with different characters.

And "The Hedge Knight" is a cracking good story, too.
 
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Dr Midnight said:
I know what you mean, I went through Elizabeth Haydon and Steven Brust on recommendation from these bastards until they pointed me to the aforementioned George R.R. Martin... a man I'd just like to run up and give a great big sloppy kiss to. Outstanding stuff. I've been buying his books for people who don't even read fantasy, as presents.

I concurr.

I'd actually come to the forum to say just this, to both praise and curse you all for recommending him.

Praises, because I was hooked immediately, and the only thing that's done that for me as of late is the Redwall series.

Curses, because it's a series, and an expensive one, and if it keeps going as it has been, I'm hosed. :D
 

I'll also recommend Martin's books. I'm not generally a fan of serial fantasies like he's writing, the old blood&guts routine, but he's so damn good at it. It's not literature, I think; it doesn't really (imo) wrestle with fundamental questions of being human or anything like that; it's just great fun.

And I hate Robert Jordan. For the sake of comparison.

If you like Le Guin (and what kind of crazy fool doesn't? ;) ), I highly recommend checking out Philip Pullman's His Dark Materials trilogy. They ARE literature, IMO, in the same way (and of the same caliber) as the Earthsea trilogy.

Le Guin's Tehanu was an overbearing preachy grump of a work, I agree, but the fifth book in the series, The Other Wind, almost had me weeping at its beauty. Good stuff.

Finally, I picked up the book Corrupting Dr. Nice on a lark recently at a used bookstore, and was well-rewarded. It's science fiction, not fantasy, but it's a brilliant satirical work, inventive, fast-moving, thoughtful, and funny.

Daniel
 

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