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<blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 9261016" data-attributes="member: 7006">With the dozens of different ways DMs prefer to run their preferred rules of sneaking (both inside and outside of combat)... it doesn't surprise me that different tables have different experiences.&nbsp; 8-9 years ago when repeated threads here about the Stealth rules came up (because everyone hated how basic the 5E rules were and how they were spread out over several different chapters)... every single poster seemed to have a different desire and methodology for how they wanted Stealth to run.&nbsp; Some DMs just did not like and did not allow Hiding during combat AT ALL... rendering a lot of Rogue actions completely moot.&nbsp; But they just took the &quot;You are always looking around for threats&quot; to heart and would not allow PCs to gain the bonuses for attacking while Hidden.&nbsp; Whereas other DMs had no problems whatsoever in letting players duck behind Total Cover or become Heavily Obscured before or during combat and then roll Dexterity (Stealth) checks versus the enemy's Passive Perception numbers... and if the Stealth check&nbsp; was higher then either they gained Surprise at the top of combat (meaning the enemies whose PP was lower than the check could not act in the first round of combat-- since there technically is no 'surprise round' per se) or if during combat were now considered Hidden, and thus their next attack would be with Advantage.And I wouldn't expect any of those opinions or feelings to have changed over the past decade.&nbsp; DMs gonna run their game no matter what the books might say.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="DEFCON 1, post: 9261016, member: 7006"] With the dozens of different ways DMs prefer to run their preferred rules of sneaking (both inside and outside of combat)... it doesn't surprise me that different tables have different experiences. 8-9 years ago when repeated threads here about the Stealth rules came up (because everyone hated how basic the 5E rules were and how they were spread out over several different chapters)... every single poster seemed to have a different desire and methodology for how they wanted Stealth to run. Some DMs just did not like and did not allow Hiding during combat AT ALL... rendering a lot of Rogue actions completely moot. But they just took the "You are always looking around for threats" to heart and would not allow PCs to gain the bonuses for attacking while Hidden. Whereas other DMs had no problems whatsoever in letting players duck behind Total Cover or become Heavily Obscured before or during combat and then roll Dexterity (Stealth) checks versus the enemy's Passive Perception numbers... and if the Stealth check was higher then either they gained Surprise at the top of combat (meaning the enemies whose PP was lower than the check could not act in the first round of combat-- since there technically is no 'surprise round' per se) or if during combat were now considered Hidden, and thus their next attack would be with Advantage. And I wouldn't expect any of those opinions or feelings to have changed over the past decade. DMs gonna run their game no matter what the books might say. [/QUOTE]

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