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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 8458398" data-attributes="member: 6801845">I'll just have to disagree.&nbsp; There are a lot more options now, but for our games it's more flavor than substance.&nbsp; We went from sometimes wanting low, sometimes high.&nbsp; Sometimes adding then subtracting to always adding. But we're still rolling d20s followed by some math.&nbsp; Wizards have cantrips but in older versions we just handed out wands like candy.&nbsp; Healing is easier now, but we just bought six packs of healing potions and, again, wands.&nbsp; Scrolls for casters were also a big thing.So all of the &quot;wizards can actually do something more then 5 times a day&quot; and &quot;healing is too easy&quot; was just overcome in previous edition games I played using different options.&nbsp; I'm sure it varied more for some people, but the overall experience has been reasonably consistent for me even though I've played with several different groups over the years.Is it exactly the same?&nbsp; Of course not.&nbsp; If it were we wouldn't need new editions.&nbsp; In the end though, I still have the option of playing a simple BDF (big dumb fighter) or a caster that has to track what spells they can cast. If you prefer older editions, that's fine.&nbsp; I'm just discussing the role of keeping around traditional tropes like the simple BDF or wizard. For me, those end up feeling much the same.&nbsp; Yes, it's just a matter of opinion and preference.I'd ask for more detail because I'm always interested in other's perspectives, but that's not what this thread is for.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 8458398, member: 6801845"] I'll just have to disagree. There are a lot more options now, but for our games it's more flavor than substance. We went from sometimes wanting low, sometimes high. Sometimes adding then subtracting to always adding. But we're still rolling d20s followed by some math. Wizards have cantrips but in older versions we just handed out wands like candy. Healing is easier now, but we just bought six packs of healing potions and, again, wands. Scrolls for casters were also a big thing. So all of the "wizards can actually do something more then 5 times a day" and "healing is too easy" was just overcome in previous edition games I played using different options. I'm sure it varied more for some people, but the overall experience has been reasonably consistent for me even though I've played with several different groups over the years. Is it [I]exactly [/I]the same? Of course not. If it were we wouldn't need new editions. In the end though, I still have the option of playing a simple BDF (big dumb fighter) or a caster that has to track what spells they can cast. If you prefer older editions, that's fine. I'm just discussing the role of keeping around traditional tropes like the simple BDF or wizard. For me, those end up feeling much the same. Yes, it's just a matter of opinion and preference. I'd ask for more detail because I'm always interested in other's perspectives, but that's not what this thread is for. [/QUOTE]

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