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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jacob Lewis" data-source="post: 8525334" data-attributes="member: 6667921">Before this thread, there were still tags for 4e. But it doesn't stop this cycle that we always seem to get caught up in. The only way to stop arguing about it is to stop arguing about it, and that only works if both sides can stop contributing to the symptoms. If people want to say good things about 4e, there should be a place to do that and its not with people who never miss a chance to say something bad every time they can.FWIW I do respect your opinions. There's plenty of things I don't like about 4e, too. But you have given the game a chance, which is more than some will admit. And that is all most reasonable fans want. So thank you for your honesty. We have plenty others making claims with bad faith arguments and repeating baseless ideas they saw in a meme or something they see posted by someone else.If you don't mind, there is one piece of advice I would like to offer: consider toning down your defense. The more you bring up how your opinions are valid, the harder it is to see the more substantial reasons that you are trying to protect. A lot of 4e fans have been dealing with less reasonable people for a long time, and that makes them skeptical. It doesn't make them right. But there's a reason for this, and its not your fault. I hope everyone understands how a vocal minority of bad faith actors has made this difficult for both sides.I hope this message is received in the spirit that it is intended; that it helps give everyone a better understanding on all sides. We are all fans of D&D, and games, and everything that is related. Now more than ever, I'm beginning to believe that more editions and settings for one game is bad for the larger community. It divides everyone, forces systemic biases, and only benefits the company to continue selling less original products and more recycled content.I know. I should really take this elsewhere. But it is long overdue and I don't want the conversation to start over in another thread. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f910.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":censored:" title="Censored    :censored:"  data-smilie="14"data-shortname=":censored:" /></blockquote>

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