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<blockquote data-quote="Mengu" data-source="post: 5277495" data-attributes="member: 65726">I'm not saying they don't have reliance on other stats. Just saying attack stat is one stat. That's it. Wisdom for Avengers, Charisma for Bards and Ardents, Con for Battleminds, Int for Artificers and Wizards. There is no reason for them not to have a basic attack (whether it be melee or range), based on this primary stat. It is their attack stat.It's not a matter of nerd raging over a change. The issue I take is more fundamental than that. I don't even think the system design warrants that melee basic attacks always be based on Strength. It doesn't work well with the class design that keys of non-Strength based classes, and gives Strength based classes too much of an edge. Why does a Warlord rock with a fighter and ranger out of the box, but suck with a battlemind and avenger?Either they should have designed all melee classes with Strength as a primary stat, or they need to give the non-Strength melee classes the necessary competency. Melee training was a feat fix. Now they half broke the fix. I simply hope there is some other fix in the pipeline.Edit: And for what it's worth, I believe a similar problem exists with certain feat requirements such as the weapon mastery feats. Strength based classes win those feats. And any new class that doesn't have a use for those stats, loses out. Try getting heavy blade mastery or Spear Mastery with an Battlemind or a Bard. The system needs maintenance as new material expands into the design space, and I'm hoping Essentials will provide a lot of that maintenance.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Mengu, post: 5277495, member: 65726"] I'm not saying they don't have reliance on other stats. Just saying attack stat is one stat. That's it. Wisdom for Avengers, Charisma for Bards and Ardents, Con for Battleminds, Int for Artificers and Wizards. There is no reason for them not to have a basic attack (whether it be melee or range), based on this primary stat. It is their attack stat. It's not a matter of nerd raging over a change. The issue I take is more fundamental than that. I don't even think the system design warrants that melee basic attacks always be based on Strength. It doesn't work well with the class design that keys of non-Strength based classes, and gives Strength based classes too much of an edge. Why does a Warlord rock with a fighter and ranger out of the box, but suck with a battlemind and avenger? Either they should have designed all melee classes with Strength as a primary stat, or they need to give the non-Strength melee classes the necessary competency. Melee training was a feat fix. Now they half broke the fix. I simply hope there is some other fix in the pipeline. Edit: And for what it's worth, I believe a similar problem exists with certain feat requirements such as the weapon mastery feats. Strength based classes win those feats. And any new class that doesn't have a use for those stats, loses out. Try getting heavy blade mastery or Spear Mastery with an Battlemind or a Bard. The system needs maintenance as new material expands into the design space, and I'm hoping Essentials will provide a lot of that maintenance. [/QUOTE]

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