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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Thrael" data-source="post: 5287563" data-attributes="member: 93721">You're right. This isn't due to Knights or Slayers. This is due to people trying to build off of one less attribute. They want to be as good as melee classes with STR primary. Those want to be better because they pay with an otherwise less useful primary attribute.There's those who, in order to better optimize (and nothing else is whining over 2 or 3 damage while completely missing the benefit of skimping on one otherwise less useful attribute), go to lengths to rationalize how STR is not needed for melee attacks. They invent fluff to derive mechanical benefits from it.STR has one skill, carrying capacity and MBAs going for it. CON has one skill, hps, healing surges, lots of feats, lots of riders (and is competing STR for Fortitude). WIS has five skills (most importantly, Perception and Insight). All the other attributes have 3+ skills, AC and/or initiative and see plenty of use as a secondary attribute.How about you accept that STR makes attacks which were mostly unplanned  (OAs, granted, free action attacks etc.) better? Just like I accept that there's no single feat to use WIS for everything CON grants. Even though, you know, it's my wisdom and forethought that makes my life quite a healthy one, not my body (the healthiest, longest living humans are neither bulging muscles nor stocky like dwarves - marathon runners, Asians etc. and they are all pretty reasonable... see determinants for health: <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Health#Maintaining_health" target="_blank">Health - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia</a>)So there's my fluff to replace CON with WIS. Come to think of it, perhaps Dwarves are so healthy for their WIS too and not their CON. Soon I'll build my character off a single very useful attribute...2-3 damage don't make you incompetent. However, not everyone is equal, and neither should they. There's other benefits your class has by using an attribute different than STR for melee. But if it bothers you so much then account for it! Put some into STR. Decisions should have consequences. You can't have your cake and eat it too.</blockquote>

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