Why must a loving soul be so alone...

[BOZ]

i'd frake you, but i don't know how much it costs.

 

[Teflon Billy]

It's too bad we can't make guys like TB see things from OUR perspective.

I understand your perspective perfectly well: You dislike any level of uncertainty in your relationships. Start off slow and safe with no expectations from him, and build to a point where you feel comfortable moving to the "next level"

Am I close?

What I'm saying is that that plan doesn't meet the guy's needs (Not most guy's I've met anyways) You keep mentioning what women want. It's valid commentary. But it's not the whole package..

I'm saying a man's needs are just as valid a compass point by which to steer the ship. That's something you seem to be missing.

Nothing wrong with looking out for your own needs (which is all you are describing), but don't go pretending it's different from what the guys are doing in any way but the details.

"Lust, then friendship" someone said earlier, and I have to agree.

If that "Spark" isn't there at the beginning, then I am not likley to be romantically interested afterward.

If it is there, I'm categorically not interested in pretendingthat it's not so that the girl can live her life in a "comfy zone".

That not all women are whores like he'd like.... That's just wrong.

What. The. . is that supposed to mean :\

I want all women to be whores? That was totally uncalled for and I would like to see an apology for that comment the very next time you post.

I have a wife and two daughters. I have no idea what little whirlwind of is going on in your mind, but let me assure you that the last thing I want (or need) is for all women in the world to be whores.

What I would like to see is a little understanding coming this way, understanding of the idea that maybe being "good pals" is not the best way to start something romantic.

I know you claim it is in your case, but take a look at the norms of our larger North American culture and tell me if you think that your views represent the standard.

In my experience, they don't.

They are, however, a fairly common wish-fulfillment fantasy for early 20's girls who haven't quite figured out how to live in an adult world yet.

Those kinds of guys should just pay for sex and get it over with as that's all they want out of a "relationship".

you.

I was hot for my wife from the first moment I laid eyes on her. We have a fantastic relationship, and she is--without a close second in sight--my best friend. That came from the intimacy we shared as much as the stuff we have in common.

Relationships grow. It's not up to you to decide which way the growth takes place any more than it's mine.

It's the responsibility of the people invovled to see that their needs are being met. If it works for both of them, then bravo.

But slotting in an offer of "Friendship" when you know that a guy has romance on the mind is just insulting.

If I can't be friends with ya, then what good are you? I don't do one night stands.

If you won't have sex with me, why would I bother pursuing you for a romantic relationship?

I've got enough "Pals".

Grow the up.

 

[Aeson]

Sorry my boy but if you have to ask you can't afford it.

I think there was some bad timing with this post. But some how I'm not so worried about my previous one.

 

[BOZ]

*backs, very slowly, out of this thread*

 

[Aeson]

*sits quitely in the corner arms around knees rocking back and forth* Then follows BOZ out.

 

[reveal]

 

[Hypersmurf]

Let's be very careful with personal comments about other posters, people.

Especially if they contain assumptions or aspersions.

-Hyp.
(Moderator)

 

[Obryn]

It's too bad we can't make guys like TB see things from OUR perspective. That not all women are whores like he'd like.... That's just wrong. Those kinds of guys should just pay for sex and get it over with as that's all they want out of a "relationship". If I can't be friends with ya, then what good are you? I don't do one night stands.

Wow. Talk about being off-base.

After reading this thread, I don't see a single time when TB says he wants whores or all he wants is sex.

You, on the other hand, seem to think that any woman who treats sex as a major motivation in finding a guy has something intrinsically wrong with her. Check out your post above, and your responses to alsih2o on the first few pages.

I'm also kind of disturbed that you have no problems being ...

Sounds like me.... venting outlet for several of my male friends probs.. Which I don't mind unless it becomes the only topic of conversation. Then it gets old, REAL QUICK.

That screams out Queen Bee to me. But hey, I could be wrong. Still, that's my impression - that what you want are a lot of potential suitors, hanging around, paying attention to you, but never being demanding or forward at all. Or even mentioning sex.

It's a game, it's a trap, and it's bullcrap. TB is telling it straight - namely how not to fall into the hive.

-O

 

[Eolin]

this thread has gone on for 6 pages?

WOW!

 

[Jdvn1]

this thread has gone on for 6 pages?

WOW!

It invovles an age-old question to which an answer is not only difficult but unsatisfactory.

If it went on for 100 pages, most guys would still be confused.