Why No Lost?

[RangerWickett]

"We're gunna hafta take the boy."

 

[Remus Lupin]

My point is it's not clear to me who knows what among the others. Some, like Tom and Ethan, clearly knew a lot and did very bad things. It's not clear to me that this goes for everyone. And again, we've seen from some of Juliette's flashbacks that much of what she did on behalf of Ben was largely coerced.

 

[Jack7]

Remember what Jacob/Christian said when John asked why he had to kill himself? "That's why they call it a sacrifice."

Someone can look it up if they tivoed it but I don't think anyone told Locke he had to kill himself.

Christian actually said, I think, "you have to die."

And that is a clue about how Locke died. And in what manner and by whom.
True, I suspected that Ben would talk John into an attempt at suicide, or maybe an attempt around it. From the previews last week.

But I'm not sure Hawking was the trigger for what Ben did. That is that her name was the motivation for killing Locke. And I'm not sure at all that he resents Locke. The single instances in which I have noticed Ben appear to speak to the truth is to the Dead. If that is true, and he does speak truth to the dead then he will miss Locke. Then again if he does not speak truth to the dead, and speaks to them in the same way as the living then he will not miss Locke because he knows it wasn't the last time he would see him.

Like I said last week this would be all about the beginning of "resurrections." Including I suspect eventually far more than John's resurrection.

The question is, does Ben already anticipate this?
And does it color his actions?

I think Ben knew that John was supposed to kill himself, and did all that he could to prevent it- up to and including performing the deed himself, so that Locke couldn't perform the selfless act of suicide for whatever purpose Ben and/or Richard had in mind. Same reason (IMO) Widmore wanted to keep Locke from killing himself (and likely would have had Abaddon kill Locke).

(Offhand, I'm guessing there is some kind of power in the sacrifice, and neither Ben nor Widmore have ever had the kind of level of belief and dedication to perform the sacrifice that would allow themselves to return to the island. Thus, both men decided instead to sacrifice Locke so that they could achieve the same- and both were doing their best to ensure that they- and not the other- were the ones to be best placed to take advantage.)

That is an interesting set of analyses.
Abaddon by the way is Greek for place of destruction or the terror or beast of of hell.
Names mean a lot in this series. Locke, Bentham, Sayid, Abaddon, and so forth.

Its fascinating then that the mere mention of Eloise Hawking is like flipping a light switch in Bens brain. The payoff for WHY he actually did it is obviously yet to come, but clearly it was important to Ben that these two have no contact. Suddenly that became vastly more important (to Ben) than keeping Locke alive. It IS possible to surprise Ben. Ben doesn't know everything - he just lies so much it's impossible to tell. He seemed surprised at the mention of Hawkings name. Either it's surprise that Locke knew of her existence, or surprise that she DID exist as if Ben thought she was dead. The latter seems more likely to me. But clearly the exchange of information between those two would be VERY bad for Ben and killing Locke was done without a moments hesitation at that point.

Hawking obviously knows Ben.

So, it is possible Hawking and Ben are working together, Hawking and Ben are working at cross purposes, or Hawking is unaware of Ben's true motivations, and maybe vice versa.

Sayid as his desire to help people, Hurley as his self-doubt, Helen as his love (and possibly attachment to an old life), Kate as his forgiving side, and Jack as his rage. I'm not quite sure where Walt fits... maybe the supernatural, or maybe just his naivety/innocence. Ben does not represent anything; Ben came to Locke.

That is also an interesting and excellent analysis.

 

[Elodan]

Decent episode.

Would have been nice to get an answer to how 2 weeks became three years since it seemed we didn't get answers to anything this week. I wonder what the significance of both those on and off the island lived an additional 3 years before they met again.

Where do we think Rose and Bernard are?

 

[Mallus]

Loved this one, particularly the structure, the way it ping-ponged back and forth between 'three years ago'/three years later' in a storyline about people who were, until recently, literally unstuck in time --it's great to see a show really play with possibilities inherent in SF narrative. And for some reason it made me happy that Sawyer and Juliet had three happy, albeit off-camera years together as members of the Dharma Initiative (their self-congratulatory branding still makes me chuckle cf. "Dharma Merlot").

 

[stonegod]

I also enjoyed the episode.

I wonder what the significance of both those on and off the island lived an additional 3 years before they met again.

Once things became re-stuck, it seems 'normal' time progressed for both parties: Three years on and off the island.

Where do we think Rose and Bernard are?

Been wondering that myself for several eps...

 

[Mark]

Loved this one, particularly the structure, the way it ping-ponged back and forth between 'three years ago'/three years later' in a storyline about people who were, until recently, literally unstuck in time --it's great to see a show really play with possibilities inherent in SF narrative. And for some reason it made me happy that Sawyer and Juliet had three happy, albeit off-camera years together as members of the Dharma Initiative (their self-congratulatory branding still makes me chuckle cf. "Dharma Merlot").

No doubt. And they manage in a single episode to create a new triangle that other series would require a season or more to develop. Kudos.

 

[Remus Lupin]

No doubt. And they manage in a single episode to create a new triangle that other series would require a season or more to develop. Kudos.

Ok, now let's think this through: We've got Kate in love with Sawyer, then in love with Jack; Sawyer in love with Kate, and now in love with Juliet, and we had at least the beginnings of a mutual attraction between Jack and Juliet a season or so ago.

Love triangle? I think it's more a love rhombus.

 

[stonegod]

Love triangle? I think it's more a love rhombus.

Freaky Love Rhombus is now going to be the name of my band.

 

[RangerWickett]

New romantic couple to write fan-fics about? The internet is pleased.

But it will not be satisfied until J.J. Abrams has Jack and Sawyer share a longing gaze (probably while dressed as furries at Hogwarts or something).