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<blockquote data-quote="Z. H. Darkstar" data-source="post: 6818716" data-attributes="member: 6746780"><p>I know that there aren't going to be any RL natives in S4. This is the first time that they're trying out plane intersection in 5e. It makes perfect sense for the trial run to be a one-way street. Given the "Hardcover = AL Adventure" & "All Roads Lead Back to Faerun" mandates (the latter is evident by the DMsGuild rules) that don't seem to be going away ever, you want to take baby steps to make sure you abide by those standards; while still giving the fans access to the other planes that they hold dear. I would argue that this is the first season that has had AL taken into consideration while designing the hardcover adventure, as we got AL-specific rules announced as soon as CoS was.</p><p></p><p>As for the ecology of Ravenloft, there could have been some minor-yet-significant changes since the last time we saw the plane. For all we know, the Mists could have gone to Abeir to take advantage of the chaos created by the Sundering to recruit some of the chromatic Dragonborn to find a new Darklord. Remember that a 4e version of Ravenloft was scheduled for publication, but never released. That means that some work was probably done on it before its cancellation. I wouldn't be surprised to see some elements of that cancelled project find their way into CoS.</p><p></p><p>My statement about inclusion was more aimed at what WotC is trying to do with the fan base than at game mechanics. 4e fractured the fan base dramatically, thus 5e is trying to glue the two halves back together; while also picking up new fans along the way. I'm not too familiar with 4e (as I was in the half of the fan base that left) and the way things were developed, but I feel safe to assume that WotC's answer to all player requests was "Yes!" The horror stories that I hear about its OP are a testament to that. WotC learned from those mistakes and found a way to be about inclusion without screwing everything in the process. They changed their default response from "Yes!" to "Yes, but..." This meant that players would still get most of what they wanted, but WotC didn't give them everything that went against what worked pre-4e. If we shift our expectations to the "Yes, but..." setting, then we'll see the possibilities to reconnect the entire multiverse in a single edition without destroying what makes them separate and unique. 5e may very well be the edition where get to have our cake and eat it too.</p><p></p><p>All I'm trying to say is not to immediately dismiss the idea based on prior prejudice. There's evidence within the lore that travel between the different material planes is possible. All we need is a group of authors who can make it happen in a way that is palatable for the bulk of the community. There are always going to be naysayers who say that something is bad just based on a single component, but even they can be turned into proponents once the product is revealed.</p><p></p><p>If Michael Bay's TMNT 2 can cause a massive shift of support in the popular opinion after the craptastic first movie, anything is possible.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Z. H. Darkstar, post: 6818716, member: 6746780"] I know that there aren't going to be any RL natives in S4. This is the first time that they're trying out plane intersection in 5e. It makes perfect sense for the trial run to be a one-way street. Given the "Hardcover = AL Adventure" & "All Roads Lead Back to Faerun" mandates (the latter is evident by the DMsGuild rules) that don't seem to be going away ever, you want to take baby steps to make sure you abide by those standards; while still giving the fans access to the other planes that they hold dear. I would argue that this is the first season that has had AL taken into consideration while designing the hardcover adventure, as we got AL-specific rules announced as soon as CoS was. As for the ecology of Ravenloft, there could have been some minor-yet-significant changes since the last time we saw the plane. For all we know, the Mists could have gone to Abeir to take advantage of the chaos created by the Sundering to recruit some of the chromatic Dragonborn to find a new Darklord. Remember that a 4e version of Ravenloft was scheduled for publication, but never released. That means that some work was probably done on it before its cancellation. I wouldn't be surprised to see some elements of that cancelled project find their way into CoS. My statement about inclusion was more aimed at what WotC is trying to do with the fan base than at game mechanics. 4e fractured the fan base dramatically, thus 5e is trying to glue the two halves back together; while also picking up new fans along the way. I'm not too familiar with 4e (as I was in the half of the fan base that left) and the way things were developed, but I feel safe to assume that WotC's answer to all player requests was "Yes!" The horror stories that I hear about its OP are a testament to that. WotC learned from those mistakes and found a way to be about inclusion without screwing everything in the process. They changed their default response from "Yes!" to "Yes, but..." This meant that players would still get most of what they wanted, but WotC didn't give them everything that went against what worked pre-4e. If we shift our expectations to the "Yes, but..." setting, then we'll see the possibilities to reconnect the entire multiverse in a single edition without destroying what makes them separate and unique. 5e may very well be the edition where get to have our cake and eat it too. All I'm trying to say is not to immediately dismiss the idea based on prior prejudice. There's evidence within the lore that travel between the different material planes is possible. All we need is a group of authors who can make it happen in a way that is palatable for the bulk of the community. There are always going to be naysayers who say that something is bad just based on a single component, but even they can be turned into proponents once the product is revealed. If Michael Bay's TMNT 2 can cause a massive shift of support in the popular opinion after the craptastic first movie, anything is possible. [/QUOTE]
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