Pathfinder 1E Why Paizo fans are better than WotC fans.

They aren't.


Take a deep breath and read what I'm about to say, please.



Paizo fans are often seen as fanboys. "Fans" of WotC range from fanboys to critics, to lots in the middle, and seem to exemplify nerdrage (both for and against) their favorite WotC edition.

Why is this?

My theory, which was developed based upon the recent events of Monte leaving WotC and the hamhanded use of "hey, here's a playtest!" along with some unusual blips of unknown questions regarding reprints of 3.5 on Barnes and Noble, is communication.

Paizo fans, when they (rarely) feel left in the dark...go and ask someone at Paizo what they're doing...and usually get an answer, or if not an answer, get a "sorta answer" of "we can't tell you, but will release the info soon".

WotC fans, when they (often) feel left in the dark...go and ask someone at WotC what they're doing...and usually don't get an answer. With no answer the other options are ugly comments to pressure WotC into doing something (either give an answer or in some way address the confusion) or rampant speculation, which generally is akin to poking a hornet's nest.


I'm still befuddled why WotC remains so fantastically close lipped about just about EVERYTHING they do or don't do.

Some may say "they're damned if the do, and damned if they don't" whatever it is they say. To that I'd respond that they might be damned either way, but if they say SOMETHING then people will rage/accept it and then move on.

E.G. What's going on with the 3.5 reprints? That's a pretty nonsensitive issue, I'd think. Why not share what is going on...or if they can't do that, at least let us know "we may reprint them in the future, but don't read into that, that was an error."


In short, Paizo fans aren't better than WotC fans....but they have a lot more communication...they aren't handed a rope by the company they admire with which to hang themselves.

Finally, please note that I was a big fan of 3e and I think WotC was guilty of this then as well. This is not an edition issue...it's a longstanding company issue that I think they really need to look in the mirror about.

Please, WotC...you're turning your own fans into monsters. You want an edition that unites them? Maybe you need to unite them by stopping your practice of dividing them through noncommunication, rampant speculation, and aggressive information seeking.

I know that I'm much more aggressive (one of these monsters) when attempting to understand one company than another.


In case anyone missed it...I'm not saying WotC is evil. I'm saying their failure to communicate is something they need to address. I think that it causes more division than the editions themselves (just look at the division between the 4e players and the 4e essentials crowd on their own forums--that was the SAME edition, and WotC's unclear path led to a lot of people being unsure what to buy, what to play, and where to go).


Anticipation of fear is greater than almost every fearful reality. Fan behavior is not based upon the fans...it is a reflection on how the company interacts with/treats its fans.
 
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They aren't.

I'm glad you started with that. A thraed designed to pit half our userbase against the other half would not be welcome!

And let's remember that as we continue the thread, please, folks.

Paizo fans, when they (rarely) feel left in the dark...go and ask someone at Paizo what they're doing...and usually get an answer, or if not an answer, get a "sorta answer" of "we can't tell you, but will release the info soon".

WotC fans, when they (often) feel left in the dark...go and ask someone at WotC what they're doing...and usually don't get an answer. With no answer the other options are ugly comments to pressure WotC into doing something (either give an answer or in some way address the confusion) or rampant speculation, which generally is akin to poking a hornet's nest.

Partually, that's something simple: company size. Smaller companies are more agile than larger companies. That's a truism in any industry. One day, we'll be complaining about Paizo in the same terms.

I'm still befuddled why WotC remains so fantastically close lipped about just about EVERYTHING they do or don't do.

I'd disagree with that statement. This time round, WotC are releasing craploads of info about what they're doing. Enough that I've had to make several pages full of that info and find myself scrabbling to keep up with the deluge. And that's before the public playtests start in a few weeks, which really will be a deluge of info.

Yes, they do treat product information like some kind of national security issue, which makes me laugh; delusions of being Apple or something with proprietary technology that other companies might actually try to steal. And yes, you can't shoot them an email and get an honest answer like you can the Paizo folks (that'll be a function of company size, though), but the secrecy sometimes seems silly. It's practices adopted in much larger markets for a reason; but there's no good reason for it in our tiny little corner of the world. All it does is alienate people.

But I'm sure that's not how the staff want to be. Back when 3E was being developed, it's not how WotC worked. These days, you communicate with them via a PR company, and receive information as a "media partner" via sanitized, approved press releases. Back then, you'd get an email from Ryan Dancey or someone, and it would have actual information in it. But I guess that's about being part of Hasbro - so blame Peter Adkison for selling WotC. :)
 

Partually, that's something simple: company size. Smaller companies are more agile than larger companies. That's a truism in any industry. One day, we'll be complaining about Paizo in the same terms.

Also, WotC is a wholly owned subsidiary of a publicly traded company. They have a lot of legal landmines to deal with when it comes to sharing information that Paizo doesn't have to deal with.
 


Its largely the difference between a large Corporation and a smaller privately owned company. You see this in all kinds of things from Movies to Video games. The people that would like to give you the information you are asking for, likely do not have the authority to do so.
 

I'm still befuddled why WotC remains so fantastically close lipped about just about EVERYTHING they do or don't do.

Really? Have you not seen the reactions they get whenever they say anything at all whatsoever?

Mike Mearls: "I took a dump today!"

Fan response: "OMG! HE'S FLUSHING D&D DOWN THE TOILET!"

Then there's all the mess they've made by announcing things and making promises that they can't produce or keep... like... pretty much everything they've done over the last ten years...
 

I also think you have to separate "commentators" from "fans," to do a valid comparison. WotC has a lot of comments from people who aren't in any way "fans." :)
 



Paizo fans are often seen as fanboys. "Fans" of WotC range from fanboys to critics, to lots in the middle, and seem to exemplify nerdrage (both for and against) their favorite WotC edition.

I'm sorry, but I don't think you're being particularly even-handed here.

Paizo fans are often seen as fanboys. Okay. But often is not always. So, implicitly this admits they are seen other ways. You lay out those other ways for WotC fans, but not Paizo fans.

Heck, when you talk of those who like Paizo, they are fans. But when it is WotC, they are "fans".

Please, WotC...you're turning your own fans into monsters.

In Henry V, Shakespeare raises a moral and ethical question as King Hal wanders through his camp before battle - are the king's men morally responsible for their own acts in war, or is the King?

Well, guess what! WotC isn't a king! WotC gives no orders! WotC is not responsible for what you choose to do! Period! Until such time as someone reveals WotC's orbital mind control lasers, or their MK-Ultra program, I reject the idea that the company *makes* anyone into anything.

You behave badly? Own it. Passing the buck is lame.
 

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