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<blockquote data-quote="beej" data-source="post: 5950052" data-attributes="member: 62869">Ah! The Book of 9 Swords comparison. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile&nbsp; &nbsp; :)"&nbsp; data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" /> Incidentally, <a href="http://nosfecatu.blogspot.com/2012/06/5e-musings-fighting-men.html" target="_blank">I mused on the similarities of B9S martial maneuvers and 4E Encounter Powers in my blog.</a> &lt;/plug&gt;In a nutshell: Yes, there are similarities. But one thing that was lost in the transition from B9S to 4E was the martial adept's ability to regain his maneuvers in the middle of combat: Crusaders never ran out, constantly inspired as they were by the (divine?) ideals they aspired to. Warblades regained their confidence and will to perform complicated sword strikes by spending a turn to show off. Swordmages, whose maneuvers were the most intricate (and ki consuming?) among the three, need to spend a full round of contemplation just to remember the nuances and stamina to repeat one move. B9S had split the fan base even then, but at least the warblades didn't forget how to do their tricks. (I couldn't say the same to the fighter who took the martial study feat, though. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f61b.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue&nbsp; &nbsp; :p"&nbsp; data-smilie="7"data-shortname=":p" />)We see this with the DDNext rogue, in a way: Hide to set-up Sneak&nbsp; Attack, deal extra damage on the next round, and then hide again to&nbsp; &quot;recharge&quot; the power.Somehow, 4E turned that into its &quot;fire and forget&quot; system, which probably felt magic-y to some. The slayer's Power Strike, on the other hand, felt closer to being martial IMO with its increasing effectiveness and uses per day. But in either case, I wasn't one to complain. Although for 5E core, I would like to see Power Strike at least with modules to replace it with other maneuvers.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="beej, post: 5950052, member: 62869"] Ah! The Book of 9 Swords comparison. :) Incidentally, [URL="http://nosfecatu.blogspot.com/2012/06/5e-musings-fighting-men.html"]I mused on the similarities of B9S martial maneuvers and 4E Encounter Powers in my blog.[/URL] </plug> In a nutshell: Yes, there are similarities. But one thing that was lost in the transition from B9S to 4E was the martial adept's ability to regain his maneuvers in the middle of combat: Crusaders never ran out, constantly inspired as they were by the (divine?) ideals they aspired to. Warblades regained their confidence and will to perform complicated sword strikes by spending a turn to show off. Swordmages, whose maneuvers were the most intricate (and ki consuming?) among the three, need to spend a full round of contemplation just to remember the nuances and stamina to repeat one move. B9S had split the fan base even then, but at least the warblades didn't forget how to do their tricks. (I couldn't say the same to the fighter who took the [I]martial study[/I] feat, though. :p) We see this with the DDNext rogue, in a way: Hide to set-up Sneak Attack, deal extra damage on the next round, and then hide again to "recharge" the power. Somehow, 4E turned that into its "fire and forget" system, which probably felt magic-y to some. The slayer's [I]Power Strike[/I], on the other hand, felt closer to being martial IMO with its increasing effectiveness and uses per day. But in either case, I wasn't one to complain. Although for 5E core, I would like to see [I]Power Strike[/I] at least with modules to replace it with other maneuvers. [/QUOTE]

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