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Why the hate, people?
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Desdichado
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That's actually a part of the reason I ended up adopting my real name instead of my former online tag (well, that and Raolin Darksbane lost it's lustre for me after the Wheel of Time books started sucking...); I'm enough of a jerk already that I didn't want to add anonymity to the equation.maddman75 said:
Psion
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Gez said:
Heh. That reminds me of a spot they had on the daily show election night. The one commentator had a bit that started out "Now that we are done with all the partisan rancor, we have the opportunity to come together. That is an opportunity we must reject." And he goes on to describe how hating the other guy is how we define ourselves.
Anyway, I think it comes down to good old fashioned ego, and is nothing unique to gaming. My wife regales me with tales of flame wars on her parenting messageboard where many of the stay-at-home moms display an attitude that if you have kids and have a job, you are inferior to them and are doing your kids wrong. Just another example of people justifying to themselves how they are so much objectively superior than everyone else.
Acid_crash
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There isn't a game system that I don't like...I like pretty much all of them, some more than others though. What I don't like is the gamers attitude when it comes to systems that are different than their preferred game.
For me, it's the D&D gamer who plays nothing BUT D&D. I don't get it. I know that some people claim they don't have enough time to learn a new system, or that they don't have enough friends willing to learn a new system...and most of this is when they don't even try. (This doesn't pertain to people who primarily play D&D but have played others on occasion...this is just for those people who play just one game, have always played just one game, and will not play any other).
If I have the same 24 hours in a day as another person, and I can learn a new game system in 30 minutes of those 24 hours, then so can everybody else. I hate it when people say they don't have the time. Dumb answer. Now, if those people said something like I just don't want to learn it because I like what I play now...that's a much better reason not to. But, just because some people think they don't have the time, come on.
But...I am a person who can't just stick with one game system. There's so many that offer so much, I don't see why people stick with just one. I never will. I like them all (Palladium to a point, though...and FATAL, well...tried it once, no thanks).
This rant of mine is coming from what happened this past weekend last week. A group of us got together to meet (we met in a yahoo group of locals where I live), talk and get to know each other, and to find out who would be willing to run what games. I brought HERO, Gurps, d6 Fantasy, Fireborn...ya know, non d20 games. No one else brought books. They decided to play D&D because it's the only game half of the others have tried. And they just didn't want to spend the time learning a different game.
I don't get it...d6 is hell easy to learn. Any game is easy to learn, if most people would just open and broaden their minds and be more accepting of other, outside games than what they are always playing. I mean, doesn't it get boring to play the same damn game week after week after week after week for twenty years?
For me, it's the D&D gamer who plays nothing BUT D&D. I don't get it. I know that some people claim they don't have enough time to learn a new system, or that they don't have enough friends willing to learn a new system...and most of this is when they don't even try. (This doesn't pertain to people who primarily play D&D but have played others on occasion...this is just for those people who play just one game, have always played just one game, and will not play any other).
If I have the same 24 hours in a day as another person, and I can learn a new game system in 30 minutes of those 24 hours, then so can everybody else. I hate it when people say they don't have the time. Dumb answer. Now, if those people said something like I just don't want to learn it because I like what I play now...that's a much better reason not to. But, just because some people think they don't have the time, come on.
But...I am a person who can't just stick with one game system. There's so many that offer so much, I don't see why people stick with just one. I never will. I like them all (Palladium to a point, though...and FATAL, well...tried it once, no thanks).
This rant of mine is coming from what happened this past weekend last week. A group of us got together to meet (we met in a yahoo group of locals where I live), talk and get to know each other, and to find out who would be willing to run what games. I brought HERO, Gurps, d6 Fantasy, Fireborn...ya know, non d20 games. No one else brought books. They decided to play D&D because it's the only game half of the others have tried. And they just didn't want to spend the time learning a different game.
I don't get it...d6 is hell easy to learn. Any game is easy to learn, if most people would just open and broaden their minds and be more accepting of other, outside games than what they are always playing. I mean, doesn't it get boring to play the same damn game week after week after week after week for twenty years?
tetsujin28
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Err...in what way are HERO and GURPS 'D&D clones'? Hero started out as a superhero game.die_kluge said:
Henrix
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Not only are different games good for different people, but different games are good for different genres.
Me, I devour new interesting game systems! If a game comes out with a system that looks interesting and new I buy it to read.
But I used to be one of the haters. I hated the 2nd ed AD&D when it came out. I hated classes and levels and +1 swords and whatnot. (Thankfully there was no internet then for me to expound my hate!
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Nowadays I cannot even understand why I hated it so much! I understand why I didn't want to play it, but not why I hated it. Perhaps I felt threatened in some way.
There are still a lot of games I'd rather not play, or at least not want to GM, but all it gets out of me is a shrug. Perhaps I'm just getting older
Me, I devour new interesting game systems! If a game comes out with a system that looks interesting and new I buy it to read.
But I used to be one of the haters. I hated the 2nd ed AD&D when it came out. I hated classes and levels and +1 swords and whatnot. (Thankfully there was no internet then for me to expound my hate!
)Nowadays I cannot even understand why I hated it so much! I understand why I didn't want to play it, but not why I hated it. Perhaps I felt threatened in some way.
There are still a lot of games I'd rather not play, or at least not want to GM, but all it gets out of me is a shrug. Perhaps I'm just getting older
Psychic Warrior
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Mercule said:
Whoa - we're we seperated at birth? I've played most of the list you have here and GURPS and I, too, found GURPS to be seriously lacking compared to most other game systems. Just the points and advantage/disadvantage system seemed so easy to manipulate and 'break' as to be almost laughable. I actually ran GURPS once and inadvertantly created a monster that none of the PCs could hurt - it was suppose to be challenging but not that challenging
Psychic Warrior
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The only thing about Robin's Roleplayers ( ) is that most people I have gamed with partly fall into virtually all of those categories. I like to power game (but refrain from using the letter of a rule to defeat the spirit of the rule), kick butt (one rousing good combat per session is usally enough to satisfy me though - or a string of shorter-yet-tough fights is good too), solve lots of problems along the way and I try to put forth my best to role play in character with NPCs and help drive the story (including my character's occasional smart ass comments about how everyone will most likely die a horrible death ).
At my table everyone hits at least two of these and most 3 or more. I don't think you can really piegon hole people like this
) is that most people I have gamed with partly fall into virtually all of those categories. I like to power game (but refrain from using the letter of a rule to defeat the spirit of the rule), kick butt (one rousing good combat per session is usally enough to satisfy me though - or a string of shorter-yet-tough fights is good too), solve lots of problems along the way and I try to put forth my best to role play in character with NPCs and help drive the story (including my character's occasional smart ass comments about how everyone will most likely die a horrible death ).At my table everyone hits at least two of these and most 3 or more. I don't think you can really piegon hole people like this
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Acid_crash said:
Not everybody feels that after 30 minutes, you can truly understand _any_ system. Sure, 30 minutes will give you the basic mechanics, enough to start playing. But it can take years to really understand how everything fits together, how the individual rules contribute to one experience.
I certainly don't have time to learn all systems that people might want to play to that degree. I was in a group once which kept flitting between new and exciting systems, and I have a sheaf of characters which were never played because there was a new shiny system out before we had a chance to actually play in the older ones. Sure, you may be able to pick up a system in 30 minutes... if you want to play, it'll be much more than that, and if you actually want to explore a character, a setting, a rules system, a campaign in depth, you can't take the time to try everything that comes out.
That's what I mean when I say I don't have time to keep learning new systems. Honestly, the ones I've learned well so far (five or six systems, maybe) could keep me roleplaying new and interesting games till I'm old and gray.
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