Wicht- Light Path Questions

[Kalanyr]

A light path fighter can almost certainly win (barring generating there sig style,bribe judges,dirty trick, chi strike) any match he's in once he has 1 flag less than he needs, all he has to do is declare Holy Day (opponents move) and he is immune to their attack.

Is this legitimate? If not perhaps immunity should be gained at 3rd tier.


The fact the winner chooses the type gives Light paths a serious disadvantage now, For example I can be a published novellist (I'm not) and a Blue belt still has to accept a style match (2 Flags,Speed) against me, perhaps pure spirit should be removed (it is the only built in disadvantage in the entire game) or the rules for choosing the match style changed.

I would have to agree with GrayDoom (Sabaron vs Meowth) I think match-type (Strategy,Style,Standard,Strategy(Judge Generated)) should be agreed upon more specifics such as (Flags,Speed) should be decided by the winner of insults, thus insults mean something but aren't overwhelming.

Turtle-Thanks, noted.

 

[turtle]

unless the opponent does a dirty trick or bribes the judges, etc etc....

 

[MidKnight]

In a roundabout way, that is correct. Light warriors have a guaranteed point when using Holy Day, whereas Dark warriors have a possibility of scoring a two point move with Sneaky Tricks. It's all a balancing act. The offseting factor for each side is the pure/foul spirit thing. If you take away the ability of one to decide the match type and length, you wreck the balance. Renders foul spirit castrate and pure spirit isn't much to worry about then is it?

*There is no problem with a judge generating the moves provided both players agree to it. If the players don't agree to it it doesn't happen. Simple enough.

Winning the insults should give slight preference to the style of matches as well, though again both players should be comfortable with it. I think for the most part the players I have seen are pretty comfortable with any of the styles, lengths, etc. If a player is not comfortable with a certain style of match, they should say so when they are in the challenge stage.*

* - trimmed out irrelevent portions

I have to agree with Wicht on this one. If you want a specific type of match or length - put it in a stipulation amended to the challenge. This then allows the challenger to decide if they want to fight you or not and avoids nasty situations like what happened earlier.

As several others have also stated - one of the reasons that certain players have requested that the judge generates the hands (in strat matches) is to remove the possibility of fishing. At this point there is no way to know with absolute certainty that someone is cheating so there has been a sort of community trust.

Recently it was brought up publicly (on the old boards) that at least one person was fishing. It was discussed within a thread and nothing seemed to come of it. It was kind of left up to the individual players to decide if they wanted to chance it and fight that person.

The judge-generated moves is the direct offspring of that thread.

Personally, I like the idea even though it is a little more work for the judge to do. I don't think that they are necessary all the time. But if I ever have concerns about another player's honesty - this would be the only way I would face them.

Just as a side note - the insult rounds have always allowed the winner to choose length and type of matches. It's just that there are sooo many more options now...

 

[Kalanyr]

A light apprentice using Holy Day has the option of guaranteeing himself 1 flag or shooting for 2 possibles (with the possibility of getting none but still slightly better odds then a Dark Apprentice (since day is more weight than location)). Still in this edition of YB pure spirit hurts a darn sight more than ever before.

 

[MidKnight]

Not sure where you're seeing two point moves from holy day Kalanyr (but it has been a long day and I am VERY tired. )

And yes, the impact of losing the insult round by default is a little painful but not too much so. Most people are pretty willing to bend a little if you don't want to do it a particular way. But there are always going to be a few that won't budge...

 

[Kalanyr]

Holy Warrior gives Day as Sig Style so I could choose to Holy Day to my attack and attempt two flags as opposed to Holy Day to my opponents and avoid his.

 

[nsruf]

A light path fighter can almost certainly win (barring generating there sig style,bribe judges,dirty trick, chi strike) any match he's in once he has 1 flag less than he needs, all he has to do is declare Holy Day (opponents move) and he is immune to their attack.

Where does it say that an immunity is granted?

From the YB 2.0 rules:

Holy Day: The fighter may once per fight declare a new Holy day, thus changing the style of the day.

All this allows you is to lend greater weight to your own move by matching the day's style with it.

Edit: I see your point now, as it works together with Holy Warrior. This is quite powerful, I must say...

The fact the winner chooses the type gives Light paths a serious disadvantage now, For example I can be a published novellist (I'm not) and a Blue belt still has to accept a style match (2 Flags,Speed) against me, ...

As far as I understand the rules, you cannot be forced to a style match. The winner of the insult round may declare the length of a match but other conditions have to be agreed upon by both fighters. At least this is how we handled it before 2.0.

 

[Kalanyr]

Holy Warrior gives a light path fighter the style of the day as a Sig Style , thus in combination with Holy Day it grants an immunity to any one attack pretty much (baring special powers)

 

[Wicht]

Now this seems like a nice orderly debate

my 2 cents...

Holy Day and Holy Warrior combined can guarantee a 1 point win. I realized that about a week ago and was wondering when people would see it. This will actually hurt honor and sash fighters more than yakuza or darkness and here is the reason - Holy Warriors fighting villains will tend to post first against those with dirty trick. I thought about changing Holy Warrior slightly but decided to see how often it became an issue first. Anything unbalancing is subject to change without notice The immunity provided by the Holy Warrior sig is the only balance to the Dark Fighters Corrupt spirit.

I do like the fact that with the new rules you sometimes have to give consideration to what your opponent can do and that there are ways to counteract almost anything. Holy Day/Holy Warrior could be used against a honor warrior for example to counter a fist of fury, but doing so takes away the 2 point advantage.

As for the style of the match. The easiest way to solve this is decide in the challenge phase what is on or off the table. Silence in this case can hurt, so if you are afraid of style matches, strategy matches, etc. Just say so in your challenge or acceptance of the challenge. And for white belts, if you had not yet noticed, the higher tiered fighters have all the advantage in a speed match

 

[Kalanyr]

Thanks Wicht, just had to ask a few things I was wondering about. I actually agreed with it for the reasons you put forth but I prefered to check if it was intentional.