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<blockquote data-quote="Marandahir" data-source="post: 7945630" data-attributes="member: 6803643">I want Storm Genasi, and Frost Genasi, and the Corrupted Genasi from 4e!If they're showing up in almost every Campaign Setting released, they should have been in the PHB. I can see the argument for not including Orcs (though honestly I'd say just replace Half-orcs with orcs and treat Orcs as breeding true), as they have only showed up as Player Options in a few settings, but Goblins have shown up in Ravnica, Eberron, and now Wildemount. Only missing from Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide. If they're in Theros, then yeah, they REALLY should have been in PHB.Warcraft: Orcs and Humans is almost as old as 2e (and included PC Orcs). Warcraft II came out in the 2e era too (and included PC Goblins). Warcraft III had truly heroic orcs and goblins, and existed alongside 3rd Edition.The world has changed dramatically since the 90s and 00s, let alone the 70s and 80s, and Goblins and Orcs have had a history as heroes in fantasy games. We're getting to the point that there's no real reason NOT to have them as regular PC options, given that they're core world races. If Drow are in the PHB, they should be too.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Marandahir, post: 7945630, member: 6803643"] I want Storm Genasi, and Frost Genasi, and the Corrupted Genasi from 4e! If they're showing up in almost every Campaign Setting released, they should have been in the PHB. I can see the argument for not including Orcs (though honestly I'd say just replace Half-orcs with orcs and treat Orcs as breeding true), as they have only showed up as Player Options in a few settings, but Goblins have shown up in Ravnica, Eberron, and now Wildemount. Only missing from Sword Coast Adventurer's Guide. If they're in Theros, then yeah, they REALLY should have been in PHB. Warcraft: Orcs and Humans is almost as old as 2e (and included PC Orcs). Warcraft II came out in the 2e era too (and included PC Goblins). Warcraft III had truly heroic orcs and goblins, and existed alongside 3rd Edition. The world has changed dramatically since the 90s and 00s, let alone the 70s and 80s, and Goblins and Orcs have had a history as heroes in fantasy games. We're getting to the point that there's no real reason NOT to have them as regular PC options, given that they're core world races. If Drow are in the PHB, they should be too. [/QUOTE]

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