Wilderlands - box set and/or player's guide?

Mercurius said:
I'm interested in the Wilderlands setting but am not sure if I want to shell out the cash for the box set. I'm tempted to just get the $13 Player's Guide PDF...in terms of the setting, what is the difference between these two items? From what i can tell, the Player's Guide is more of a traditional setting book while the box set seems to be a detailed encyclopedia of locations. Yes? No? What's the deal?

The original wilderlands was presented as a series of maps, a list of villages , castles, lairs, ruins, and islands. The Villages had basic stats like population, alignment, resource, leader name, level, class and alignment. Castles had population, leader class, level, and alignment. Lairs had monster name and quantity. Ruins and Islands had short two to three line descriptions with abbreviated stats if they appeared. Monster-HD-HP.

This is very similar to GDW's presentation of the Spinward Marches for Traveller. Remember that when the Spinward Marches was released there was virtually no Setting info. Nobody really knew what the Third Imperium, Sword Worlds, Darriens, and Zhodani were like aside from a few notes in the Spinward Marches, in the Journal of the TAS. But behind the scene Marc Miller had a lot notes on his Third Imperium and these were published in later supplements.

The same for the Wilderlands Bob Bledsaw had his own background and history for the Wilderlands. Bits and Pieces came out in various products like the City State of the Invincible Overlord, City State of the World Emperor, the various Wilderness Books, and so on. But they were just that, bits and pieces. Judges Guild never collected Bob's world into a coherent whole like Greyhawk or Forgotten Realms.

Many of us who ran the Wilderlands had wildly divergent campaigns. Some of this was due to the length of time that there were nothing published for the setting, but mostly because the spareness of the original material encouraged us to make the Wilderlands our own. Example include James' Wilderlands of High Adventure, and my own Majestic Wilderlands.

Published many years later, the Player's Guild to the Wilderlands is Bob's version of the Wilderlands. It has some contributions from those of us who ran Wilderlands but the vast majority is from Bob's writings and notes.

The boxed set in contrast is more in the spirit of the original Wilderlands. There is a ton of local detail but it keeps the high level stuff pretty vague. The idea is to make the Wilderlands your own. The value of the product is not just in running a hex crawl. It saves you a ton of work in the most tedious area of creating a campaign. Writing down every what every little location has over and over again.

By doing this work for you it frees you for the fun stuff making the plots that will drive the adventures for your characters. Plus it also makes it easier for you when the players decide to go off the beaten path. You are not staring at a blank 30 mile hex wondering what is in there. That ok the first few times but when you have to think of something for the 20th or 30th time because somebody wants to go through Perrenland to get to Ket then it gets a bit tedious.

And because most everything is written to focus on the local level it is easy to rip out what in the boxed set for that hex or area and put your own idea in.

Finally there are previews and sample available here

http://www.judgesguild.com

For James Mishler's Wilderlands of High Adventure look here

http://www.adventuregamespubs.com/

For notes on my own Majestic Wilderlands look here

http://home.earthlink.net/~estar

Hope you have a lot of fun with the setting.

Rob Conley
 

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jdrakeh said:
That's honestly more true to form, if you've seen the original Wilderlands (I'm sure that you have). There wasn't much to it in the way of stats/rules.

The Wilderlands Boxed Set is not really tied to 3.5 DnD, sure there are some stats in there but frankly, we kept those as minimal as possible because the thing was so bloody big.

As with the original, you can easily convert this material to any Fantasy Role Playing Game system. Honestly, the 4e "Points of Light" bit is pretty close to what the Wilderlands is already (and has been for years).

Now, I am a completely biased individual, I worked on this, and City State of the Invincible Overlord (CSIO), and I happen to love the original JG material. That said, obviously I think you should buy it all ;).

Oh, I don't know if he still has it on his site, but check Rob's site (see his post above) for some fantastic maps. He used to have a brilliant and very useful map of CSIO.

Patrick
 

While I really like the content of the Players Guide, I have to say that the quality of the PDF is not all that high. I have commented on this ever since I got it. The resolution on the file is very poor, meaning the maps and art in it don't print in a usable way. Some of the art even looks poor on screen. Initially I was told that a higher resolution version was coming soon. Later, when I asked about it, I was told that it was not any sort of priority and it would probably not be done. So, if you just want to look at it on your computer, it is mostly okay. If you wish to print it out, don't hold your breath for anything worthwhile.
 

Thanks everyone--I'm convinced to at least get the Player's Guide. The problem is, I can't find a hard copy anywhere for less than $60 (Amazon marketplace). Anyone know if this is going to be reprinted any time soon? Or should I just settle for the PDF and hope for a 4ed update in a year or so?
 

Probably wouldn't hurt to keep an eye out on eBay for the Player's Guide. Currently there are four box sets up for sale in different eBay stores.

As to 4th edition ... I seriously doubt it will happen primarily due to the poor sales figures for what Necromancer has already released.
 

A reprint is out of the question. However, you may find the book on eBay with a bit of patience. It should certainly be cheaper than $60.
 

PatrickLawinger said:
Oh, I don't know if he still has it on his site, but check Rob's site (see his post above) for some fantastic maps. He used to have a brilliant and very useful map of CSIO.

Patrick

Thanks for the compliment.

The CSIO map in question is here.

http://home.earthlink.net/~wilderlands/Map_Key.jpg

It is modified from the original in favor of more alleyways, smaller buildings, and a more realistic wall system. But everything still located where it is the original and new edition.

I also have this for Map 8 of the boxed set.

http://home.earthlink.net/~wilderlands/map_8_overview.jpg

this is for my own Majestic Wilderlands campaign.

http://home.earthlink.net/~wilderlands/Wilderland.jpg

and a close up of one of the areas (Ghinor/Southern Reaches)

http://www.ibiblio.org/mscorbit/beta/Campaign_Map_Ghinor.jpg

One of my villages

http://home.earthlink.net/~wilderlands/Kensla2.jpg

A regional map each large hex is 12.5 miles or 5 leagues with a league being defined as a hour walk on level terrain.

http://home.earthlink.net/~wilderlands/Antil_SE.JPG


This article gives a sense of how I did with the Wilderlands since I started in 1982. This can serve as an example of how flexible the Wilderlands can be in order to turn it into your own campaign.

http://home.earthlink.net/~wilderlands/csland.html
 
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The Player's Guide if very helpful if you like a view of the setting as a whole, i.e., a 'big picture' look at the Wilderlands. It also includes information on gods, cultures, and history not included in the Boxed Set (for some reason the history in the Boxed Set stops abruptly thousands of years before the default year of the setting).

However, the Box Set is a real treasure. I'd recommend it even for people not interested in running a Wilderlands campaign, as it contains hundreds of great ideas for adventures, encounters, etc.

In short, get both! :)
 


Mercurius said:
OK, the answer is both: I found a copy of the Player's Guide (and really like it) and will pick the box set some time soon.
Cool. I love the Player's Guide. It gives a good impression of what the setting is about.
 

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