Wildshape and permanent greater magic fang

[Question]

What happens if a druid wildshapes and a cleric casts greater magic fang on the druid, then makes it permanent?

 

[FEADIN]

I's permanent but usable only when he has "fangs" (natural attacks)

 

[Question]

Okay to be more specific. The master of many forms wildshapes into a dragon. The 20th level cleric casts greater magic fang(+5 IIRC) on his bite, followed by permanency. Then the druid wildshapes back into a human, and wildshapes back into the dragon.

Does he still get the bonus?

What if he wildshapes into something else after getting the permanent GMF?

 

[FEADIN]

The spell target a living creature, as long as your alive that's fine, even if you change form, you're still the living creature that was targeted.No?

 

[pawsplay]

It does specify one natural weapon is enhanced, so I'm pretty sure it would only affect one weapon of one form. It doesn't say "one type of natural weapon" either, just one natural weapon.

 

[Baramay]

I would say the spell would work on either form dependent on what it was cast on. If you cast it on the dragon's claw this would be comparable to a person's hand. Conversely if you cast it on their bite attack, a human does not have a bite so it would not work. I would avoid grappling with such an individual.

 

[Christian]

It does specify one natural weapon is enhanced, so I'm pretty sure it would only affect one weapon of one form. It doesn't say "one type of natural weapon" either, just one natural weapon.

I'm not sure I'd want to go that far, pawsplay. 'One form' just isn't defined explicitly enough, to me. Does generally 'shaping into a dragon form count? Or only that type of dragon (red, black, etc.)? Or does the size matter (large red dragon vs. huge red dragon)? Or details of the creature's appearance--does it only count if it's exactly the same shape?

I'd say, if you have a permanent magic fang on your bite attack, that spell applies to the bite attack of any form you 'shape into that has one ... There's a reason all of those natural attacks fall into a limited number of categories, after all.

 

[pawsplay]

I have a hard time seeing a dragon's bite and a horse's bite as "one natural weapon."

 

[Hypersmurf]

I'd say, if you have a permanent magic fang on your bite attack, that spell applies to the bite attack of any form you 'shape into that has one ...

So 'bite' is a better bet than 'pincer', 'sting', 'quill', or 'arm', then?

(Does any creature except the Kraken have 'arm' as a natural attack?)

-Hyp.

 

[Hypersmurf]

I have a hard time seeing a dragon's bite and a horse's bite as "one natural weapon."

There are stories that say that Odin likes to wander among mortal men in various disguises - a peasant, a bird, a cat - but that an observant man can always recognise him, because one eye is missing in every form he takes.

I can imagine, for example, a magical gold tooth, that becomes a part of a person (so that it is not considered an item)... and that the bearer of such a tooth might be known in any form he took (as long as it's a form with teeth), by his one gold fang.

And I would have no problem accepting that while the form might change, the concept of 'this is my mouth' is reasonably constant. We do not take the druid, smoosh him into a formless blob of dough, and start constructing a horse from scratch; we shape the druid's ears into horse's ears, the druid's legs into horse's legs, and the druid's teeth into horse's teeth. We shape the druid's ears into dragon's ears, the druid's legs into dragon's legs, and the druid's teeth into dragon's teeth.

And so what the horse bites with, and what the dragon bites with, are at their essence the same conceptual entity - the druid's 'bite'.

I can see how it could be argued that one GMF cast on the druid's 'bite' - whichever form he happened to be in at the time - would apply to the druid's 'bite' in any form he occupied for the duration of the spell.

-Hyp.