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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Merlion" data-source="post: 819378" data-attributes="member: 10397">Well I mean no offense by this in any way but it strikes me as though you see the rogue as getting "shafted" as many see the fighter getting "shafted" by various things.  Unfortunitly the Fighter and Rogue by their very nature are going to get their toes stepped on a little bit in DnD.  And remember untill 3e the rogue WAS the Thief(not that I agree with that).  A Bard can be a better diplomat and a Ranger can be a better scout(only really in the wildnerness tho the Dungeon and City still belong to the rogue) but only the rogue can be a good diplomat or scout and be an excellent thief, spy, conman etc. Also since he gets all those skills and so many skill points he can be pretty good at several of those at once.</blockquote>