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<blockquote data-quote="Engilbrand" data-source="post: 4228821" data-attributes="member: 44184">This constant notion that 4E isn't &quot;True D&amp;D&quot; is retarded. It doesn't make any sense.Most people don't care about a lot of the changes. They don't care that some things (not that I can actually name them) have been &quot;stripped&quot;.I already have 5 brand new people who are going to get involved. They've read a bit about it. They've seen the pictures. 4E might not be a &quot;flashy computer game&quot;, but it sure as hell is a flashy game. I think that the art alone will get some people to pick it up. After reading it and seeing how easy it is to play, they might buy it.I love Barbarians. Am I bummed that they won't be out until next year? Yeah. But I also love Binders. And the Incarnum classes. I hope to see them, too. I'm fine with what's out right now, and I think that a lot of people are probably the same way.Most D&amp;D players don't care. Most people coming into the game don't even know what came before. I played some of the older computer games. I started at the very end of 3.0. I've been playing for 6 years. I can't think of anything about 4E that is worse than 3.5. The mechanics are better. The fluff is... FLUFF!!!! I rarely used that to begin with.By having PoL as a default, they're simplifying what people need to learn and remember. That's going to help new players. And it's the new players that will keep this edition going.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Engilbrand, post: 4228821, member: 44184"] This constant notion that 4E isn't "True D&D" is retarded. It doesn't make any sense. Most people don't care about a lot of the changes. They don't care that some things (not that I can actually name them) have been "stripped". I already have 5 brand new people who are going to get involved. They've read a bit about it. They've seen the pictures. 4E might not be a "flashy computer game", but it sure as hell is a flashy game. I think that the art alone will get some people to pick it up. After reading it and seeing how easy it is to play, they might buy it. I love Barbarians. Am I bummed that they won't be out until next year? Yeah. But I also love Binders. And the Incarnum classes. I hope to see them, too. I'm fine with what's out right now, and I think that a lot of people are probably the same way. Most D&D players don't care. Most people coming into the game don't even know what came before. I played some of the older computer games. I started at the very end of 3.0. I've been playing for 6 years. I can't think of anything about 4E that is worse than 3.5. The mechanics are better. The fluff is... FLUFF!!!! I rarely used that to begin with. By having PoL as a default, they're simplifying what people need to learn and remember. That's going to help new players. And it's the new players that will keep this edition going. [/QUOTE]

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