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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Ranes" data-source="post: 4229620" data-attributes="member: 4826">Talk to a bookmaker. I think he'll give you good odds. You don't have enough experience with it to know that for certain. You haven't DMed a high level 4e game or a game with any of the classes people are waiting for that won't appear till PHB [rolls d6] 4.See my previous response.Don't get me wrong; I'll be delighted if 4e becomes a success, even if it isn't for me.To throw my 2cp into the debate: I think 4e will be moderately successful, in terms that I suspect Hasbro will consider moderate. I haven't read anything about 4e that convinces me it's less clunky than 3.x. I've read some things that I think make it sound less complex and I've read a lot of responses to those changes that make me think that a significant number of players don't find those simplifications to their taste.I've read nothing that convinces me that this edition will pull in any more players than any previous edition. There are plenty of reasons that have nothing to do with the design philosophy of 4e that make me believe it will not pull in more players than previous editions.Everything, without exception, that I've read about DDI tells me that it's going to be clunky and incomplete in terms of the status of official print product at any stage.Everything I've read tells me that 4e is going to the basis for a slew of books that will ultimately present players with many of the same problems as players of 3e. (For example: "How do I tell a player that he can't have what he wants because I don't have that book and don't know it?" "This class/feature is unbalanced compared to core options.")Normally, fans nostalgic for older editions are accused of seeing things through rose tinted glasses. In the case of 4e advocates, I have the nagging suspicion that it's the other way round.Differ if you will but please don't do me the disservice of calling me a 4e hater. I love D&D and I want any new version to be successful, even if I prefer an older one (ie - in the interests of full disclosure - 3.5). I don't believe there's one true D&D. If I did, I wouldn't be playing 3.5.But I have my doubts about 4e. And those doubts extend towards the degree of success it will enjoy.</blockquote>

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