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<blockquote data-quote="the Lorax" data-source="post: 4247065" data-attributes="member: 27662"><p>Have your players never heard of friendly NPCs? Really? If they have enemies powerful enough to use badunfun spells upon them, why do they not have friends who can cast Cure Badunfun?</p><p></p><p>And all the Fighter bashing, Wizards/Priests are the be and end all of high level campaigns? I really cant believe it. Have some of you never played an extended epic level campaign? Using the core rules, at high levels, the true single target damage dealing champs are Fighters and Rogues. These characters can easily do in epic level casters if they get their hands on the caster for one round.</p><p></p><p>Now Disjunction. Well, thats a spell that I have disliked since before 3.0, and has required house ruleing. A spell with no real cost permanently destroying millions of GPs or even XPs worth of items is crazy, not to mention artifacts.</p><p></p><p>As for 4E? </p><p>My group of 20+ year long players who have gone from one edition to the next with relatively little resistance has almost completly sworn off of 4E. 3.5 is still close enough in the past to be leaving a bit of a bitter taste, and there is (IMO) NO reason to do as radical a revision as 4E seems to be. I know some long time players in another group who want to do 4E, and I'll join them for a game, but at this point I dont see me converting the games I run.</p><p></p><p>The funny thing is that a lot of the assumed fluff world stuff I've been reading from 4E like Feywild and Shadowfell, no Great Wheel ect. is actually very similar to my homebrew - like similar enough that it looks like someone swiped my pages of notes and sketches on cosmology (where'd those go anyway? <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /> )</p><p></p><p>I was all set and ready to embrace a new edition around 2010 - that's when I expected to need new material and the like. And I'm thrilled that Piazo is doing Pathfinder - the adventures they are putting out are outstanding and I cant wait to run them.</p><p></p><p>I HOPE 4E does at least reasonably well, as a poor showing would really be hard on the hobby in general, but for me, I'm getting off the edition treadmill, at least for now.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="the Lorax, post: 4247065, member: 27662"] Have your players never heard of friendly NPCs? Really? If they have enemies powerful enough to use badunfun spells upon them, why do they not have friends who can cast Cure Badunfun? And all the Fighter bashing, Wizards/Priests are the be and end all of high level campaigns? I really cant believe it. Have some of you never played an extended epic level campaign? Using the core rules, at high levels, the true single target damage dealing champs are Fighters and Rogues. These characters can easily do in epic level casters if they get their hands on the caster for one round. Now Disjunction. Well, thats a spell that I have disliked since before 3.0, and has required house ruleing. A spell with no real cost permanently destroying millions of GPs or even XPs worth of items is crazy, not to mention artifacts. As for 4E? My group of 20+ year long players who have gone from one edition to the next with relatively little resistance has almost completly sworn off of 4E. 3.5 is still close enough in the past to be leaving a bit of a bitter taste, and there is (IMO) NO reason to do as radical a revision as 4E seems to be. I know some long time players in another group who want to do 4E, and I'll join them for a game, but at this point I dont see me converting the games I run. The funny thing is that a lot of the assumed fluff world stuff I've been reading from 4E like Feywild and Shadowfell, no Great Wheel ect. is actually very similar to my homebrew - like similar enough that it looks like someone swiped my pages of notes and sketches on cosmology (where'd those go anyway? ;) ) I was all set and ready to embrace a new edition around 2010 - that's when I expected to need new material and the like. And I'm thrilled that Piazo is doing Pathfinder - the adventures they are putting out are outstanding and I cant wait to run them. I HOPE 4E does at least reasonably well, as a poor showing would really be hard on the hobby in general, but for me, I'm getting off the edition treadmill, at least for now. [/QUOTE]
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