D&D 3E/3.5 Will 4e last longer than 3e?

[Darrin Drader]

I'm not calling Gary a liar, because I don't think he would say anything to intentionally mislead people, but I know Charles Ryan and even though everyone lies in business these days, I don't believe he would lie about that. I'd say that the mismatch comes from the fact that Gary (and no one outside of WotC for that matter) has any idea of just how successful 3.0 really was at its peak.

 

[Mistwell]

Okay, you've convinced me, if the current designers say the earth is flat, and someone else says it's round, I should believe the former. Got it.

Care to answer the challenges put forth to you, rather than raising that ludicrous strawman?

 

[The Little Raven]

I'd say that the mismatch comes from the fact that Gary (and no one outside of WotC for that matter) has any idea of just how successful 3.0 really was at its peak.

Well, Gary never claimed that AD&D 1st edition was more popular and sold better than D&D 3rd edition. He merely posted numbers for what things were like around the time he departed from TSR. It's JRRNeiklot that's claiming that those numbers are higher than 3rd edition's numbers.

 

[GameOgre]

It would be more fun and take less time if you guys would just get on with it and pee on each other while screaming what edition you like.

geez. Can you argue over anything more pointless?

Sorry but if you come in and try to read all this blather it kinda drives you nuts and puts you in a mood.

 

[The Little Raven]

It would be more fun and take less time if you guys would just get on with it and pee on each other while screaming what edition you like.

geez. Can you argue over anything more pointless?

Sorry but if you come in and try to read all this blather it kinda drives you nuts and puts you in a mood.

Then maybe you should take the time to properly read things, since the discussion at hand isn't whether we like one edition more than the other, it's about which edition sold better, through objective sales records.

 

[Carnivorous_Bean]

I'd vote for shorter, myself. The business model is based on 'crunch' books, and the more those proliferate, the clumsier any system gets. I feel that 4e is probably going to start out quite streamlined -- so did 3e, really -- but the whole idea of a new PHB annually is going to make it get clunky really fast. There will be a point where sales of additional PHBs will drop off, because people won't want to spend more money just to add more complexity and bureaucratic rules headaches to the game.

At that point, they'll issue 5th edition -- unless the dying U.S. economy has continued its arc towards ruin, of course, and sales are so low that WotC goes out of business.

Openly embracing the "crunch explosion" publishing model is going to make 4e topheavy and clumsy even faster -- so 5e will come sooner. I have no doubt that 4e will start out as a truly beautiful system, but it's doomed to inflate quickly into a hopeless mess just through the very nature of the market.

 

[Ranger REG]

At that point, they'll issue 5th edition -- unless the dying U.S. economy has continued its arc towards ruin, of course, and sales are so low that WotC goes out of business.

Why? Are there other ventures -- mainly their TCG and secondly their Avalon Hill boardgames -- doing poorly.

Couldn't believe RPG is keeping their business alive. How they manage to continue without publishing RPG back in the early 90's with just Magic: The Gathering TCG? How?

 

[Rel]

It would be more fun and take less time if you guys would just get on with it and pee on each other while screaming what edition you like.

geez. Can you argue over anything more pointless?

Sorry but if you come in and try to read all this blather it kinda drives you nuts and puts you in a mood.

That is why you are welcome NOT to read it if bothers you. Don't post in this thread again.

 

[Rel]

Okay, you've convinced me, if the current designers say the earth is flat, and someone else says it's round, I should believe the former. Got it.

And you, you're not adding anything to this discussion either. Out of the thread with you.