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Will anyone stand up to George Lucas?

Ranger REG said:
Maybe that's what missing on the film set. ;)

Damn that Nancy Reagan and her "Just Say No To Drug" campaign!

Kaminoan: "Tell Jedi Master Sifo-Dias that the Clone Army is now ready."
Obi-Wan: "Who said anything about a clone army? I didn't say anything about a clone army?"
Kaminoan: "Um... Master Jedi?"
Obi-Wan: "What are you up to? Why are you here? Why am I here?
Kaminoan: "Um... Jedi Obi-Wan?"
Obi-Wan: "You're here to get me, aren't you? You'll never take me alive!"
Kaminoan: "Urk!"

Never mess with a Jedi before his next line. :D
 

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takyris said:
Vote with your dollar. That's the only way things will change.

Which leads to my favorite quote from [contact] about the Prequels.
"Unless George Lucas is standing in the theatre handing out handjobs and hamburgers, I'm not going."

He has a way with words, our [contact].
 

Henry said:
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1) No one has a "right" to make George Lucas do ANYTHING about Star Wars; it's his baby, and his franchise. He can make it as good or bad as he wants. TO assert otherwise takes something away from someone on a principle I don't like one bit. It's his rightful property, right or wrong.
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This is from a NY Times article a few weeks back that I thought was right on the money. At least it made a lot of sense to me. I know that I do not plan to go see the final installment. The second one just had too many "I'm watching someone play a video game" moments for me.

New York Times said:
Miriam Kriss put down her book to explain that she was there in tribute to Peter Jackson, "a fan who understood." Then she delivered a rather stunning tribute to the fan aesthetic: "The problem with the last George Lucas `Star Wars' movies is that he's not a fan of his own work. You can't be if it's your work. But he doesn't understand anymore why we loved `Star Wars.' He just sits and stares at special effects on his computers. I'd rather see `Star Wars' movies
by people who grew up with `Star Wars.' A fan would get it."

Edit:
The orignal NYTimes article isn't freely available anymore but here is another article by the same writer:
http://slate.msn.com/id/2093334/
Look at what he has to say about 'Kill Bill' and the fan aesthetic. Again, I agree with what he has to say.
 
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Why do so many reviews, by fans and pros, and discussions about Star Wars revolve around comparisons to the LotR flicks? And vice versa? Bring up Star Wars and someone chimes in with how much better LotR is to them, or talk about LotR and someone always has to throw a shot at GL in there.
 

Flexor the Mighty! said:
Why do so many reviews, by fans and pros, and discussions about Star Wars revolve around comparisons to the LotR flicks? And vice versa?

Mainly because the new LOTR films make them feel like they did when they watched the first three Star Wars movies. I don't know why exactly -- the newness of the films, the smaller expectations which were exceeded, or the plotlines which did focus admittedly on more mature themes than SW 1 and SW 2 did. Whatever the reason, I will admit that it didn't feel as swept away by the special effects of the LOTR films as I did the SW films - I personally felt that in LOTR, the special effects supplemented the story, where as in the two SW films they've served to supplant the story.

Personally, I came out of the SW films saying, "Wow! Awesome! Cool!" I came out of the three LOTR films talking how Serkis did a great job capturing Gollum's desires, or how Mortennsen nailed Aragorn's nobility on the head.

Or maybe it was that Star Wars has had a decade of good Sci-Fi and three idolized movies to to live up to, while the Rings Trilogy had a decade of poor Fantasy and a series of books to live up to that few expected it to emulate. Lower expectations mean you are happier with something you otherwise wouldn't be. I know I didn't expect Pirates of the Carribean to be that good, and I would stake it as the best movie of 2003.
 

I'm not sure why, but you are correct, there definately is a lot of commentary in making those comparisons. I get the impression that are alot of people out there who really wish that Mr. Lucas had spaced the three SW movies much closer together. Instead of taking rather than taking 6 years from start to end, taking only 3 years from start to end (like the LOTR movies).

Flexor the Mighty! said:
Why do so many reviews, by fans and pros, and discussions about Star Wars revolve around comparisons to the LotR flicks?
 

I think that LotR and SW are 2 entirely different animals compared only because the fantasy/sci-fi fans make it so. They also have huge sprawling universes and histories/futures. However, it is us who are making the big comparison. I am simply greatful to be alive and well to witness both in their entirety. I am thankful for Lucas and his vision and I am thankful for Jackson and his passion. Two different animals.
 

Flexor the Mighty! said:
Why do so many reviews, by fans and pros, and discussions about Star Wars revolve around comparisons to the LotR flicks? And vice versa? Bring up Star Wars and someone chimes in with how much better LotR is to them, or talk about LotR and someone always has to throw a shot at GL in there.
Because they are the two Holy Trilogies of Geekdom. Most geeks seem to be tempermentally required to assert the superiority of one or the other and defend their selection to the death.

We're nothing if not predictable, as a group.
 

If you haven't yet, then sign the petition asking Lucas to release the OT, untouched and un"improved," on DVD.

Check out this list of putative changes to be included in the "Ultimate Edition" DVD set:

[from theforce.net]
It has been reported all over the web and on this website for months, though now there's a resurgence in the rumors that an eventual and final release of the Classic Trilogy is coming. Where these rumors are coming from now is a person emailing a list of changes to websites and telling them work is being done. And while we can defintiely confirm that ILM is working on the movies for plenty of enhancements, the list may not be accurate.
Here's the run down of possible and very rumored changes:

Episode IV: A New Hope

The Imperial March has been added to Darth Vader's first appearance on Princess Leia's ship.
When Obi-Wan is talking to Luke about his father Anakin's Theme plays in the background and then it turns into the Imperial March as he talks about Vader.
The lightsaber effects have been redone and the frame jumps of lightsabers being turned on has been removed.
There's a new scene which has been shot during the filming of Episode III in which the Emperor dissolves the Senate.
In the Cantina, the Duros (green aliens guys) have been replaced with Neimoidians and some aliens from the prequels have been added.
The bleeding arm on the floor in the Cantina has been replaced with a non-bleeding arm because it's now canon that lightsabers cauterize wounds.
The original shooting scene between Han and Greedo has been restored.
Jabba the Hutt has been given a makeover and Han no longer steps on his tale.
In place of R2 wobbling down the stairs to the Falcon's hangar, a CG R2 navigating the stairs like he does in Attack of the Clones was added.
The white boxes around space ships have been removed and new CG shots have been added.
The scene of the Falcon being chased by the two Star Destroyers was modified. The Falcon now does spinning moves, avoiding the Star Destroyers' fire.
When the Death Star destroys Alderaan there's a new scene of Yoda's reaction to the disturbance in the Force that is created by all those deaths and then it cuts to Obi-Wan reacting to it as well.
The Dianoga has gotten a CG makeover and were are now able to see more of the creature.
The Death Star's paneling and computers have been slightly altered to show similar displays to those in the prequels.
The words "Tractor Beam" with Aurebesh lettering.
More stormtroopers have been added to the Death Star.
Temuera Morrison's voice is being recorded for use with all the stormtroopers.
The Obi-Wan/Vader duel has been spruced up. It is much more epic and there is much more movement. A modified version of Duel of the Fates is being considered for the scene.
The Death Star plans that are taken from R2 have been updated. When the Rebels are reviewing the Death Star plans they look similar to the plans we see in Attack of the Clones.
The Death Star battle is much more epic with more Tie Fighters and more Rebels being blown to bits. We get to see old Naboo starfighters being used by the Rebels.
There's a new scene (shot during Episode III) where Darth Vader goes to Coruscant and lands his ship in the same building Count Dooku does at the end of Attack of the Clones. Except now the building is all fixed up and it is now Palpatine's palace. He meets with Palpatine to ask for forgiveness for his failure and inform him of a new potential who is strong in the Force.
Chewbacca now gets a medal.
Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back
The taun-tauns are now CG.
The battle of Hoth is much more epic. We see the Imperial ships land on Hoth and release AT-ATs. The AT-ATs have been sped up a bit. There's a ground battle between the Rebel soldiers and stormtroopers featuring new ships and vehicles.
Temuera Morrison's voice is being recorded for the older Boba Fett and all the stormtroopers.
The white boxes around space ships have been removed.
The slug monster is CG.
Ian McDiarmid has refilmed scenes as the Emperor. The conversations between Vader and Palpatine is now longer and features a few connections to the prequels.
Yoda's face is now animated in CG allowing more expression of emotions yet his movements remain the same. Also two deleted scenes featuring Yoda instructing Luke have been restored.
A new scene was shot in which the stormtroopers, after they capture Han, Leia and Chewie, bring Vader the box containing C-3PO in pieces. Vader orders the stormtroopers to bring the broken droid to Chewbacca's cell so that he can fix him.
The lightsaber effects have been redone in certain parts.
Luke's fall from Cloud City has been reshot against bluescreen using a stuntman.
Episode VI: Return of the Jedi
Jabba the Hutt is now a combination of the puppet and CG.
The Rancor is CG and looks disgusting as ever.
Yoda is CG. Yoda disappears leaving his clothes behind like Obi-Wan now.
The ewoks are now mostly CG and there are a lot more of them.
The plan is to insert the love theme Across the Stars when Luke is talking with Leia about their mother.
Temuera Morrison's like before is now the voice for Boba Fett and all the stormtroopers.
In the battle of Endor there are thousands of Ewoks and they are more vicious than there midgets-in-suits counterparts. More bite the dust now.
White boxes around ships removed.
The black blotches around Palpatine's face are gone.
Some of the lightsaber effects have been redone. The shadows that the lightsabers made on the floor are gone.
During Anakin's death scene it starts with a sad rendition of the Imperial March and slowly evolves into Anakin's Theme.
Sebastion Shaw who played Anakin when he was unmasked has been replaced with Hayden Christenson in make-up to make him look older. Anakin has much more dialogue. He apologizes for the destruction he caused, he thanks his son for turning him back to the light, he tells his son to rebuild the Jedi and he says he loves him and his sister. Just before he dies he says, "It is finished...".
We see more planets celebrating at the end of the movie. We see an aged Jar Jar, who is now the leader of the Gungans, on Naboo celebrating with the people of Naboo and the Gungans. We see an old Watto, who is now unable to fly, sitting in a hover chair cheering on Tatooine. During these scenes Across the Stars plays transitioning to the victory celebration music at the Ewok tree village.
Anakin's spirit is now played by Hayden Christenson with make-up to make him look his age. He looks on proudly at his son Luke with the spirit of Padme by his side.
Again, these are more of a wish list than accurate information.
We also wanted to tell you something perhaps even more significant. Episode I: The Phantom Menace is getting a full overhaul as well. We'll leave you with that for now.
 


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