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Message: <blockquote data-quote="jbear" data-source="post: 5315234" data-attributes="member: 75065">Now I was thinking about this change to Dwarven stats and wondering how much of an advantage it gives over other +2 Str +2 Con races, which off the top of my head are Goliaths, Warforged and Minotaurs.The point of contention is DWT feat which gives not only +2 damage bonus, but also access to superior axes and hammers. However there has also been a change to the Expertise Feats which now come with additional bonus effects apart from the scaling attack bonus. Am I correct in saying that Axe Expertise now also gives all axes you use the Brutal property?So if my minotaur fighter picks up Axe Expertise which adds brutal, his normal old battle axe becomes mechanically identical in all but weapon type to a Craghammer, which is a superior weapon. The Great Axe and the Execution Axe also become very nearly mechanically identical if you think about it. Now a Dwarf of course can pick up this feat as well, and of course should, because damn who isn't going to get these feats now??? So his DWT now can have him handling a War Axe that is Brutal 1. He has an advantage of d12 vs a d10.And of course he gets a +2 feat bonus with damage. But keep in mind it has cost him 2 feats to get both of these features. My minotaur can also take Weapon Focus and have +1 feat bonus to my axe damage, which becomes +2 at level 11. So my minotaur has taken 2 feats and uses a one handed versatile battle axe that does 1d10 dmg and has brutal 1. +1 Atq and +1 feat damage. A dwarf has a versatile war axe that does 1d12 dmg and has brutal 1. +1 Atq and +2 feat damage. At level 11 our bonus feat damage is the same. At Epic my minotaur does more.The difference is there. The Dwarf is slightly better up until epic. When you put a minor action second wind (which he can now do 2/encounter??? Surely not??? Surely that should be: 'You can use your second wind a second time in an encounter as a standard action') into the picture the difference is slightly more pronounced. But it doesn't seem like a Massive Advantage. My minotaur can knock down on a charge (and +2 AC when I do so vs OAs), and interrupt 1/round anyone that is about to kill him and try and kill them first (or whoever is at hand if they can't be reached) ... not entirely worthless features by any means. +1 healing surge which never goes amiss. Skillwise, well who doesn't love a bonus in perception and nature? So how far ahead is the Dwarf really? Hasn't the Dwarven Advantage via DWT been reduced by the Expertise feat which is available to everyone?</blockquote>

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