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<blockquote data-quote="Wicht" data-source="post: 652343" data-attributes="member: 221"><p>I can't help feeling that this one was entirely a matter of personal preference. i thought my Llama was going to win me the round hands down <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Not to argue with the judge but how do you use a llama as a serious plot element ? <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /> <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite7" alt=":p" title="Stick out tongue :p" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":p" /> My first thought on reading it (well my second thought - my first was, "what is a bright llama? I don't remeber seeing that in the Tome of Horrors") was Monty Python's Quest for the Holy Grail. Maybe they just ruined Llamas for me as a serious plot element ever. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>So Llama equaled silly to me. Light tone. A bright llama could either be an intelligent llama, as in, "boy is he bright. Wish I could learn as fast as that Llama." The other was a llama that shone like the sun. A llama that shone suggested something divine. The riddle suggested the sphinx to me and so my mind leapt to the llama standing in for a sphinx at the wim of some silly deity. My mind next leapt to the tale of Oedipus and thus was born the city in trouble because of a slight to the god in question. The sword and shield was not really tacked on so much as intended to be illustrative of the favor the god bestowed on his son. Then I needed something to do with it and perhaps could have carried it further as a plot point. As I feel is normally the case, my weakness is in trying to be too brief when judges habitually favor detail. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite2" alt=";)" title="Wink ;)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=";)" /></p><p></p><p>As to the Iron bands of Billaro, what else would they do but keep someone captive? The only other real way to use them is to give them to an NPC as an attack option but in my mind that would be even more tacked on. They either have to be in use or be about to be used. There are few other options (and I notice my opponent chose to use them exactly as I did though with a more central figure). If they are in use then someone has to be affected by the use. I am interested in why a judge would give an ingredient and then complain that it was used in the story. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>Some ingredients IMO are hard to be central to an over-riding plot and must therefore be used as plot support. I used the Xill, the riddle and the Llama as main points of the plot and the other three as support. If the ingredient is used in an intelligent way then I guess I would disagree with the "tacked-on" description. But thats just personal opinion.</p><p></p><p>Anyhow. Perhaps part of my problem is that I deliver my humor too straight faced. I have no idea why the honorable judge would imagine that I was trying to deliver a serious beginning. Actually in the mind of the writer the beginning and introduction were supposed to be lighthearted and produce a good laugh from the players (until the Llama started stomping heads into the ground anyway). The second part of the adventure was more serious and in fact had a rather gruesome ending arranged (shades of alien in the Xill eggs). IMO the introduction of some rather gruesome images can sometimes be better delivered if the players are not expecting it. The humor therefore, if played right lends itself to making the situation later that much more serious. Again, though, this may just be a difference in personal style. </p><p></p><p></p><p>Finally, congragulations Nifft. I thought I had you there but fear not I shall return! <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite8" alt=":D" title="Big grin :D" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":D" /></p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Wicht, post: 652343, member: 221"] I can't help feeling that this one was entirely a matter of personal preference. i thought my Llama was going to win me the round hands down :) Not to argue with the judge but how do you use a llama as a serious plot element ? :D :p My first thought on reading it (well my second thought - my first was, "what is a bright llama? I don't remeber seeing that in the Tome of Horrors") was Monty Python's Quest for the Holy Grail. Maybe they just ruined Llamas for me as a serious plot element ever. :) So Llama equaled silly to me. Light tone. A bright llama could either be an intelligent llama, as in, "boy is he bright. Wish I could learn as fast as that Llama." The other was a llama that shone like the sun. A llama that shone suggested something divine. The riddle suggested the sphinx to me and so my mind leapt to the llama standing in for a sphinx at the wim of some silly deity. My mind next leapt to the tale of Oedipus and thus was born the city in trouble because of a slight to the god in question. The sword and shield was not really tacked on so much as intended to be illustrative of the favor the god bestowed on his son. Then I needed something to do with it and perhaps could have carried it further as a plot point. As I feel is normally the case, my weakness is in trying to be too brief when judges habitually favor detail. ;) As to the Iron bands of Billaro, what else would they do but keep someone captive? The only other real way to use them is to give them to an NPC as an attack option but in my mind that would be even more tacked on. They either have to be in use or be about to be used. There are few other options (and I notice my opponent chose to use them exactly as I did though with a more central figure). If they are in use then someone has to be affected by the use. I am interested in why a judge would give an ingredient and then complain that it was used in the story. :) Some ingredients IMO are hard to be central to an over-riding plot and must therefore be used as plot support. I used the Xill, the riddle and the Llama as main points of the plot and the other three as support. If the ingredient is used in an intelligent way then I guess I would disagree with the "tacked-on" description. But thats just personal opinion. Anyhow. Perhaps part of my problem is that I deliver my humor too straight faced. I have no idea why the honorable judge would imagine that I was trying to deliver a serious beginning. Actually in the mind of the writer the beginning and introduction were supposed to be lighthearted and produce a good laugh from the players (until the Llama started stomping heads into the ground anyway). The second part of the adventure was more serious and in fact had a rather gruesome ending arranged (shades of alien in the Xill eggs). IMO the introduction of some rather gruesome images can sometimes be better delivered if the players are not expecting it. The humor therefore, if played right lends itself to making the situation later that much more serious. Again, though, this may just be a difference in personal style. Finally, congragulations Nifft. I thought I had you there but fear not I shall return! :D [/QUOTE]
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