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<blockquote data-quote="Fanaelialae" data-source="post: 7938756" data-attributes="member: 53980"><p>That's a soft limit, not a hard limit. As long as you can keep beating the 1 in 3 odds, you can keep making nonstandard wishes. Additionally, even if you fail and can never cast wish again, there's nothing stopping other people and items from granting you wishes. So, realistically there is a limit but it's not a hard cap. With a bit of luck, you can make several nonstandard wishes without losing the capacity to cast wish. Even with the worst of luck, you get at least one, albeit at the cost of never casting wish again.</p><p></p><p>It's fairly clear to me from the design of 5e that the highest level spells are intended to be clutch, rather than spammed. Allowing wizards to wish for more 9th level slots without consequence is doubling down on caster supremacy, IMO.</p><p></p><p>A mage with 'just' three 9th level slots can maintain Foresight around the clock. Or cast True Polymorph 3 times per day (for those times when forcing encounters to chew through the hundreds of HP of a high powered monster once a day just isn't enough). Or dropping Meteor Swarms on your enemies like they were Fireballs. There are a lot of ways that wishing for more 9th level slots can unbalance play without infinite wishes.</p><p></p><p>I agree that at high levels balance goes partly out the window. But as a DM who has successfully run several of those high level games, I don't see that as an excuse to boot balance entirely out and send it crashing down. Especially not when it is heavily biased towards casters, who are already very strong in the end game.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Fanaelialae, post: 7938756, member: 53980"] That's a soft limit, not a hard limit. As long as you can keep beating the 1 in 3 odds, you can keep making nonstandard wishes. Additionally, even if you fail and can never cast wish again, there's nothing stopping other people and items from granting you wishes. So, realistically there is a limit but it's not a hard cap. With a bit of luck, you can make several nonstandard wishes without losing the capacity to cast wish. Even with the worst of luck, you get at least one, albeit at the cost of never casting wish again. It's fairly clear to me from the design of 5e that the highest level spells are intended to be clutch, rather than spammed. Allowing wizards to wish for more 9th level slots without consequence is doubling down on caster supremacy, IMO. A mage with 'just' three 9th level slots can maintain Foresight around the clock. Or cast True Polymorph 3 times per day (for those times when forcing encounters to chew through the hundreds of HP of a high powered monster once a day just isn't enough). Or dropping Meteor Swarms on your enemies like they were Fireballs. There are a lot of ways that wishing for more 9th level slots can unbalance play without infinite wishes. I agree that at high levels balance goes partly out the window. But as a DM who has successfully run several of those high level games, I don't see that as an excuse to boot balance entirely out and send it crashing down. Especially not when it is heavily biased towards casters, who are already very strong in the end game. [/QUOTE]
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