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<blockquote data-quote="Fanaelialae" data-source="post: 7939573" data-attributes="member: 53980">I would say that such a use is possible, but nonstandard. Although I do allow any spell to be cast as an 8th level spell (using an 8th level slot) without incurring the nonstandard wish penalties, since it's right there in the basic description. Applying things like metamagic or other class features that you don't have is not in the description.A delayed blast fireball falls under any spell. Casting it as an 8th (but not 9th) level spell is part of the basic description. Maximum damage is beyond the basic use, as it is not any 8th level spell but rather a feature that modifies the effect of a spell.Otherwise, casting delayed blast fireball using a millionth level slot and every metamagic in the book would constitute a basic use. As would me scribbling anything down on a napkin, writing 8th level spell on top, and then expecting it to be allowed as a basic use. It is clear to me that such use was never intended.The PHB was written using natural language (as opposed to as a legal document) in order to make it easy to read, not as an invitation to twist and abuse the rules. Wish is already the most versatile effect in the entire game. It doesn't need to be (and moreover should not be) both the most versatile and the most powerful. If someone tried to pull this at my table I would take a very dim view of it.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Fanaelialae, post: 7939573, member: 53980"] I would say that such a use is possible, but nonstandard. Although I do allow any spell to be cast as an 8th level spell (using an 8th level slot) without incurring the nonstandard wish penalties, since it's right there in the basic description. Applying things like metamagic or other class features that you don't have is not in the description. A delayed blast fireball falls under any spell. Casting it as an 8th (but not 9th) level spell is part of the basic description. Maximum damage is beyond the basic use, as it is not any 8th level spell but rather a feature that modifies the effect of a spell. Otherwise, casting delayed blast fireball using a millionth level slot and every metamagic in the book would constitute a basic use. As would me scribbling anything down on a napkin, writing 8th level spell on top, and then expecting it to be allowed as a basic use. It is clear to me that such use was never intended. The PHB was written using natural language (as opposed to as a legal document) in order to make it easy to read, not as an invitation to twist and abuse the rules. Wish is already the most versatile effect in the entire game. It doesn't need to be (and moreover should not be) both the most versatile and the most powerful. If someone tried to pull this at my table I would take a very dim view of it. [/QUOTE]

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