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<blockquote data-quote="Ruin Explorer" data-source="post: 9103615" data-attributes="member: 18"><p>Absolutely not a niche. If you think that's a "niche", you need to think harder on what the word means.</p><p></p><p>Not, they do not have a "unique niche" just because 5E is badly designed and has a zillion CHA classes and one INT class. That's a ridiculous and risible idea. It's clearly not even intentional, especially as WotC tried to give Warlocks back an INT option, and honestly may yet, if they have even an tiny shred of design talent.</p><p></p><p>Absolutely not. That's not rational, it doesn't make sense - in fact it's obviously false - nothing in the world is so bad or weird that some very strange individual doesn't like it. Nothing. There are people who like being tortured. Who like being beaten up. Being suffocated (and I'm not just talking sex stuff). By your obviously spurious and rather insulting "logic", that means, being beaten up or tortured "doesn't suck", because somebody somewhere enjoys it.</p><p></p><p>It's absolutely not good enough that "a few people" liking a class means the entire game is warped around the terrible design of that class.</p><p></p><p>You're very obviously type 1 of the two types of Wizard players I noted, btw.</p><p></p><p>They absolutely used to be, when you prepared every spell you could cast separately, and had vast numbers of spells they could cast too (1/2/3E then - particularly 2E and 3E). But in 5E they don't have that. Wizards can prepare INT mod + Wizard level spells. A higher number than a "known" spells caster, but not that much higher - and exactly the same as other "prepared" casters in 5E.</p><p></p><p>But nowhere near enough for the old "I have 1 one of pretty much every spell memorized" deal of 2E and 3E utility Wizards.</p><p></p><p>And yes, no class in 5E sucks so bad it's always unfun, but Wizards have definitely died a death popularity-wise, because style-wise, they've got absolutely nothing. Not an iota of style.</p><p></p><p>The problem is that Wizards of the Coast haven't got the memo.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ruin Explorer, post: 9103615, member: 18"] Absolutely not a niche. If you think that's a "niche", you need to think harder on what the word means. Not, they do not have a "unique niche" just because 5E is badly designed and has a zillion CHA classes and one INT class. That's a ridiculous and risible idea. It's clearly not even intentional, especially as WotC tried to give Warlocks back an INT option, and honestly may yet, if they have even an tiny shred of design talent. Absolutely not. That's not rational, it doesn't make sense - in fact it's obviously false - nothing in the world is so bad or weird that some very strange individual doesn't like it. Nothing. There are people who like being tortured. Who like being beaten up. Being suffocated (and I'm not just talking sex stuff). By your obviously spurious and rather insulting "logic", that means, being beaten up or tortured "doesn't suck", because somebody somewhere enjoys it. It's absolutely not good enough that "a few people" liking a class means the entire game is warped around the terrible design of that class. You're very obviously type 1 of the two types of Wizard players I noted, btw. They absolutely used to be, when you prepared every spell you could cast separately, and had vast numbers of spells they could cast too (1/2/3E then - particularly 2E and 3E). But in 5E they don't have that. Wizards can prepare INT mod + Wizard level spells. A higher number than a "known" spells caster, but not that much higher - and exactly the same as other "prepared" casters in 5E. But nowhere near enough for the old "I have 1 one of pretty much every spell memorized" deal of 2E and 3E utility Wizards. And yes, no class in 5E sucks so bad it's always unfun, but Wizards have definitely died a death popularity-wise, because style-wise, they've got absolutely nothing. Not an iota of style. The problem is that Wizards of the Coast haven't got the memo. [/QUOTE]
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