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Message: <blockquote data-quote="FrogReaver" data-source="post: 9103656" data-attributes="member: 6795602">1.  I agree that wizards are strongeset in the least played game tiers, but they aren't weak in earlier tiers either.2.  I'm not sure how casual players play a classis the best way to compare their power.3.  A tomelock is much worse than a wizard at almost everything else.4.  No class has a better 1st and 2nd level spell loadout to prepare than a wizard.Level 1 Spells:  Shield, Absorb Elements, Silvery Barbs, Find Familiar, Sleep, Magic Missile, Mage Armor, Tasha's Hideous Laughter.Level 2 Spells: Misty Step, Web, Invisibility, Suggestion, Shatter, Rime's Binding Ice, Hold Person, Blindness/DeafnessLike I don't even have enough spells I can prepare to prepare all the 'best' wizard spells. 5.  I have no problem with light clerics.  They are strong and blasty and probably a bit blastier than most wizards.  But they don't have anywhere near the control and control is normally better than blasty. 6.  Even if you were correct and that's not conceded - it's such a minor difference in power that in the grand scheme it doesn't matter.7.  You say Charisma classes but list mostly Wisdom classes.  I'm confused?8.  Underselling the wizard spell list (even for 1st-3rd level spells) along with no consideration for arcane recovery seems to make the difference.I can't stress enough that a wizard using a crossbow in tier 1 is solid damage.Then add in their spells - which at the height of tier 1 can be 6 1st level and 3 2nd level spell slots - coming up to more than 1 spell per encounter and in many campaigns 2-3 spells per encounter.9.  And they only get better in tier 2.</blockquote>

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