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<blockquote data-quote="ECMO3" data-source="post: 9137769" data-attributes="member: 7030563"><p>Those other classes are not going to be a lot better, and in general they are probably not going to be better at all. The character above has a +9 Nature AND Survival, a +7 Acrobatics AND Athletics and a +12 Deception AND Persuasion, +9 Perception AND Investigation with a +5 to +8 in every other skill.</p><p></p><p>The party's Barbarian might be slightly better in Athetics, but the character above has typical Barbarians beat in every other skill on the Barbarian list, and has him beat by quite a bit on a most of them (Nature, Survival, Perception and Investigation). Same with a Ranger or Paladin or Fighter or Cleric or just about any traditional build other than a Bard.</p><p></p><p>Moreover the idea that other classes have to be allowed to be the best at something is silly. If you want your Paladin to be better than my Rogue at social skills and Religion and medicine then boost Charisma to 20 and Intelligence to 14 and take a feat that gives you expertise so you can actually be better me. That is doable and failing to do that is a build choice.</p><p></p><p> Otherwise if your Paladin takes GWM and a strength ASI then he is stepping on MY TOES when he tries to use his +7 persuasion when I am sporting a +12, or his +3 Religion when I have a +5 .... go smite someone because that is "your thing" as you built your character for maximum strength and damage.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="ECMO3, post: 9137769, member: 7030563"] Those other classes are not going to be a lot better, and in general they are probably not going to be better at all. The character above has a +9 Nature AND Survival, a +7 Acrobatics AND Athletics and a +12 Deception AND Persuasion, +9 Perception AND Investigation with a +5 to +8 in every other skill. The party's Barbarian might be slightly better in Athetics, but the character above has typical Barbarians beat in every other skill on the Barbarian list, and has him beat by quite a bit on a most of them (Nature, Survival, Perception and Investigation). Same with a Ranger or Paladin or Fighter or Cleric or just about any traditional build other than a Bard. Moreover the idea that other classes have to be allowed to be the best at something is silly. If you want your Paladin to be better than my Rogue at social skills and Religion and medicine then boost Charisma to 20 and Intelligence to 14 and take a feat that gives you expertise so you can actually be better me. That is doable and failing to do that is a build choice. Otherwise if your Paladin takes GWM and a strength ASI then he is stepping on MY TOES when he tries to use his +7 persuasion when I am sporting a +12, or his +3 Religion when I have a +5 .... go smite someone because that is "your thing" as you built your character for maximum strength and damage. [/QUOTE]
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