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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 9138308" data-attributes="member: 23751"><p>Wizard is wizard. Sailor is background. It is not thematically appropriate for wizards to have sailing. It IS thematically appropriate for sailors to have sailing. It is not thematically appropriate for a battlemaster to have arcana. It IS thematically appropriate for a sage to have arcana. You're still conflating one thing for another. </p><p></p><p>So yes, a Wizard Sailor can be thought to have sailing, but only because sailor. </p><p></p><p>Ahh, so spellcasting is thematically appropriate for my single class champion with no feats, racial abilities or any other way to cast so much as a cantrip or ritual, just because I've decided so?</p><p></p><p>No. Theme is built into class, background, feats, etc. The player is the one who decides theme, but he is required to have the mechanics(if necessary) and/or appropriate fluff(applicable background, etc.) to achieve it, or else it isn't there. </p><p></p><p>Yes he is. It doesn't not become part of the battlemaster or champion theme, though. A player cannot alter the theme of the class or subclass as it is described in the PHB. He CAN alter the theme of the character by selecting an appropriate background, like sage, though. A battlemaster sage who takes arcana is thematically appropriate, but NOT because of battlemaster.</p><p></p><p>Wrong. High bonus does not equate to "this is my thing and not yours." At no point, even if the battlemaster took sage, is it appropriate to tell the wizard to stay away from things arcane.</p><p></p><p>Wizards are thematically the masters of the arcane. All else is secondary, even if appropriate via background like the battlemaster sage, even if the fighter gets a higher bonus. </p><p></p><p>Though why the player of the fighter would antagonize another player by deliberately stepping on the toes of the wizard is beyond me. It strikes me as a pretty crappy thing to do. </p><p></p><p>The theme is not the background, though, unless it also meets the background theme. For instance, if you replace the sage arcana skill with investigation, something librarians and sages do, that still meets the sage theme. Sneaking around, deceiving and theft will never be thematically appropriate for sages, though. </p><p></p><p>If the PC subs in stealth, he needs to write some other piece of background outside of sage to explain it, the way you did in your prior post. Your explanations were good for explaining how the sage got stealth and deception, but neither of those two skills, nor the explanations, were of a sage. They were sage background plus other background to explain those skills.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 9138308, member: 23751"] Wizard is wizard. Sailor is background. It is not thematically appropriate for wizards to have sailing. It IS thematically appropriate for sailors to have sailing. It is not thematically appropriate for a battlemaster to have arcana. It IS thematically appropriate for a sage to have arcana. You're still conflating one thing for another. So yes, a Wizard Sailor can be thought to have sailing, but only because sailor. Ahh, so spellcasting is thematically appropriate for my single class champion with no feats, racial abilities or any other way to cast so much as a cantrip or ritual, just because I've decided so? No. Theme is built into class, background, feats, etc. The player is the one who decides theme, but he is required to have the mechanics(if necessary) and/or appropriate fluff(applicable background, etc.) to achieve it, or else it isn't there. Yes he is. It doesn't not become part of the battlemaster or champion theme, though. A player cannot alter the theme of the class or subclass as it is described in the PHB. He CAN alter the theme of the character by selecting an appropriate background, like sage, though. A battlemaster sage who takes arcana is thematically appropriate, but NOT because of battlemaster. Wrong. High bonus does not equate to "this is my thing and not yours." At no point, even if the battlemaster took sage, is it appropriate to tell the wizard to stay away from things arcane. Wizards are thematically the masters of the arcane. All else is secondary, even if appropriate via background like the battlemaster sage, even if the fighter gets a higher bonus. Though why the player of the fighter would antagonize another player by deliberately stepping on the toes of the wizard is beyond me. It strikes me as a pretty crappy thing to do. The theme is not the background, though, unless it also meets the background theme. For instance, if you replace the sage arcana skill with investigation, something librarians and sages do, that still meets the sage theme. Sneaking around, deceiving and theft will never be thematically appropriate for sages, though. If the PC subs in stealth, he needs to write some other piece of background outside of sage to explain it, the way you did in your prior post. Your explanations were good for explaining how the sage got stealth and deception, but neither of those two skills, nor the explanations, were of a sage. They were sage background plus other background to explain those skills. [/QUOTE]
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