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<blockquote data-quote="Maxperson" data-source="post: 9138719" data-attributes="member: 23751"><p>If two of you have competing character concepts, you should roll for it rather than invalidate the other guy. Invalidation of a PC isn't cool to do at the table.</p><p></p><p>False Equivalences will always be false. The PCs are the A team, not the benched players.</p><p></p><p>I can get to +12 on a paladin if I want to use the feats for it. Look at my example, not the irrelevant other stuff. The point remains unanswered.</p><p></p><p>Oh, that will go over well if you get caught. Let's risk everyone getting tossed into the dungeon because the king's vizier can tell what real magic looks like. That's doubly risky since I already said the king was aware of your party make-up. You think he or someone else there wouldn't be aware of who's who?</p><p></p><p>White rooms are white. No wizard is going to have an 18 strength outside of that white room. The reality is that wizards tank strength, so you're looking at -1 to maaaaaaaaybe +1, but probably +0 at best to hit and damage.</p><p></p><p>No it's not. I function in the real world and not white rooms where wizards are running around all over the place with 18 strengths.</p><p></p><p>Does it? Does it really? At 1st level you can use it for 2 out of the 4 rounds of ONE of the six to eight encounters. That's 2 rounds out of 24-32 rounds of combat. That shield spell is doing a bunch of nothing as far as durability goes. Especially since at 1st level your AC is going to be low enough that you will sometimes be hit anyway, so even those 2 rounds might not be effective.</p><p></p><p><img class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" alt="🤦♂️" title="Man facepalming :man_facepalming:" src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f926-2642.png" data-shortname=":man_facepalming:" /> You've literally just declared that nothing can ever be a theme, since according to you everything fits the theme if you want it to. If literally everything is in theme, themes don't exist.</p><p></p><p>You miss the point, which is surprising since I spelled it out clearly multiple times there.</p><p></p><p>That's not a theme. That's a character concept.</p><p></p><p>I do, but then I understand what a theme is and am not conflating a bunch of stuff as a bunch of other stuff in order to make quite literally everything in the universe in-theme.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Maxperson, post: 9138719, member: 23751"] If two of you have competing character concepts, you should roll for it rather than invalidate the other guy. Invalidation of a PC isn't cool to do at the table. False Equivalences will always be false. The PCs are the A team, not the benched players. I can get to +12 on a paladin if I want to use the feats for it. Look at my example, not the irrelevant other stuff. The point remains unanswered. Oh, that will go over well if you get caught. Let's risk everyone getting tossed into the dungeon because the king's vizier can tell what real magic looks like. That's doubly risky since I already said the king was aware of your party make-up. You think he or someone else there wouldn't be aware of who's who? White rooms are white. No wizard is going to have an 18 strength outside of that white room. The reality is that wizards tank strength, so you're looking at -1 to maaaaaaaaybe +1, but probably +0 at best to hit and damage. No it's not. I function in the real world and not white rooms where wizards are running around all over the place with 18 strengths. Does it? Does it really? At 1st level you can use it for 2 out of the 4 rounds of ONE of the six to eight encounters. That's 2 rounds out of 24-32 rounds of combat. That shield spell is doing a bunch of nothing as far as durability goes. Especially since at 1st level your AC is going to be low enough that you will sometimes be hit anyway, so even those 2 rounds might not be effective. 🤦♂️ You've literally just declared that nothing can ever be a theme, since according to you everything fits the theme if you want it to. If literally everything is in theme, themes don't exist. You miss the point, which is surprising since I spelled it out clearly multiple times there. That's not a theme. That's a character concept. I do, but then I understand what a theme is and am not conflating a bunch of stuff as a bunch of other stuff in order to make quite literally everything in the universe in-theme. [/QUOTE]
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