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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Parmandur" data-source="post: 7807244" data-attributes="member: 6780330">Yeah, some people think that about superhero movies or chicken nuggets: this is what is known as "heresy." We say, if any should deny the beauty of superhero movies, Anathema Sit! If any should deny the deliciousness of chicken nuggets, Anathema Sit!I think 4E failed due to presentation and PR SNAFUs, not the system. 5E is largely the same system as 4E in any meaningful sense, but has succeeded due to presentation and good engagement with people.However, if we were to grant the idea that system matters all that much, the only way a game system can be said to matter is helping people play the game, hence popularity and personal experience is the only valid measure. hence, 5E cannot be said meaningfully to be a mediocre system if it succeeds at what an RPG system is meant to do.</blockquote>