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PF Wizkids should take the Pathfinder 1.0 ruleset and publish their own RPG.

Maul

Explorer
Greetings True Believers!!

Seeing a company like Wizkids put out great product after great product, I think they would be an excellent candidate to take over the Pathfinder 1.0 ruleset (and maybe tweak it a little to make it their own) and create their own RPG.

They have a HUGE stable of artists who could contribute to the project and a ton of talent on staff to create an original RPG setting.

I personally would love to see something like this happen!
 

Retreater

Adventurer
What would such a thing feature that a thousand existing PF1 books doesn’t? I can’t think of what the selling point would be for such a thing. Nobody wants to buy all their PF1 books again.
That was originally the thought about 3.5, right? "We're just keeping the rules in print so you can use your existing 3.5 books" soon became "update everything to Pathfinder."
I think some people would prefer to buy a Pathfinder 1.5 (or D&D 3.85e) than to go to PF2 or D&D5, even if it meant buying a bunch of new books that are mostly compatible while providing an incremental update to Pathfinder 1e.
Ancedotally, and in my local area, the Pathfinder fans I know would rather buy this than switch to PF2.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Ancedotally, and in my local area, the Pathfinder fans I know would rather buy this than switch to PF2.
The Pathfinder fans in your local area would rather rebuy a WizKids reboot of PF1 than play PF2?

It’s not a binary choice between those options. Did you also ask all the Pathfinder fans in your local area whether they would like to just play PF1? Or are they set on buying a WizKids reboot of all their books?
 

Retreater

Adventurer
The Pathfinder fans in your local area would rather rebuy a WizKids reboot of PF1 than play PF2?

It’s not a binary choice between those options. Did you also ask all the Pathfinder fans in your local area whether they would like to just play PF1? Or are they set on buying a WizKids reboot of all their books?
They prefer to play PF1, and they would continue to purchase supplements and adventures compatible with that line. They have trashed the idea of PF2 after playing the playtest. It's more about the investment in time to learn the system and gain system mastery than buying new books. PF requires immense system mastery - and many of these players have played only 3.x and PF, so they are unwilling to look at other systems and devote the time to learn a new system.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
They prefer to play PF1, and they would continue to purchase supplements and adventures compatible with that line. They have trashed the idea of PF2 after playing the playtest. It's more about the investment in time to learn the system and gain system mastery than buying new books. PF requires immense system mastery - and many of these players have played only 3.x and PF, so they are unwilling to look at other systems and devote the time to learn a new system.
Out of curiosity what is the size of your local area? And how did they all find out about this WizKids idea so quickly? I mean, Maul only posted it 56 minutes ago!
 

Retreater

Adventurer
Out of curiosity what is the size of your local area? And how did they all find out about this WizKids idea so quickly? I mean, Maul only posted it 56 minutes ago!
Theoretically, and not the WizKids idea specifically. They would prefer to continue to play and support PF1. This has been their reaction since the announcement of PF2's release and especially since their experiences with the playtest.
I have spoken to only the thirty or so gamers I personally know, so it may not be a scientific sample size of the entire PF fan base. That's why I didn't use words like "all Pathfinder players" in my thoughts.
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
Theoretically, and not the WizKids idea specifically. They would prefer to continue to play and support PF1.
That's not the proposal though, is it? The proposal is that WizKids reboots PF1 and launches their own game.
 

Shroomy

Adventurer
Doesn't WizKids have a pre-existing business relationship with both WotC and Paizo? I'm sure they'd love to anger both their partners by producing a new version of a 20 year old system with a gazillion books and shrinking player base - never mind that they don't publish RPGs. Also, there's already 3PP companies that have announced they're continuing PF1e support (their name escapes me though - Purple Porphyria maybe, IDK).
 

B1okHead

Villager
Pathfinder 1 seems like it's run it's course. The only thing would be if you've played all the adventure paths they've released (which I'm pretty sure no one has) and you want more.
 

Retreater

Adventurer
That's not the proposal though, is it? The proposal is that WizKids reboots PF1 and launches their own game.
Their own PF1 compatible game was the proposal, right? So the existing fans of PF1 could continue to buy supplements and adventures that they can port over to their familiar system with a minimal effort.
 

Saelorn

Adventurer
What would such a thing feature that a thousand existing PF1 books doesn’t? I can’t think of what the selling point would be for such a thing. Nobody wants to buy all their PF1 books again.
The primary selling point of PF1 was the soft-reset of splat creep. It was D&D 3.5, but without all of the unnecessary add-ons.

That was also the primary selling point of D&D 5E. It was PF1, but without all of the unnecessary add-ons.

One of the smart things about 5E having such a slow release schedule is that it doesn't have to worry about this. Nobody can use the soft-reset of 5E as a selling point, because 5E is still pretty much the same game as when it started.
 

darjr

I crit!
I think there is still a sizable PF1 crowd that would like a source of the core book for new folks to their tables. Tiny compared to 5e or PF2 but maybe as large as many other RPGs.
 

Maul

Explorer
That's not the proposal though, is it? The proposal is that WizKids reboots PF1 and launches their own game.

Ok Morrus. We get it. You think its a bad idea. Time to move along.

This thread is for productive discussion.
 

Jer

Adventurer
I think there is still a sizable PF1 crowd that would like a source of the core book for new folks to their tables. Tiny compared to 5e or PF2 but maybe as large as many other RPGs.

I mean, Paizo is still selling PF1 stuff. You can still get the PF1 books via Amazon, but also Paizo is still selling PF1 books in their online store. There are even two PF1 books set to be released in November! (Pocket editions of existing books, but still new and on preorder).

So until they actually stop publishing and selling the old books there's not really a good reason for another company to take up that torch I'd think. I could see someone wanting new adventure content for PF1 who already owns and has played through all of Paizo's offerings, but that market has to be tiny - even tinier than the market of existing PF1 tables who need new books for new players or to replace books that have fallen apart or dropped in a puddle or had a bottle of coke spilled on them or whatever. Especially when you consider how much adventure content Paizo produced for PF1 over the years.

(And add that to the fact that Paizo could at any time decide to start "dual statting" their adventures for PF1 and PF2 and selling both - which would completely undercut anyone trying to sneak in and grab that player base. Paizo is taking a very different approach to switching editions than Wizards or TSR ever has, so it's hard to predict how it's all going to pan out.)
 

darjr

I crit!
Except for 5e. WotC sold 1e, 2e, and 3.5 core books in stores and in PDF during 5e. And at the end of 4e I think. Though the pdf and hardcovers weren’t started at the same time.
 

Campbell

Relaxed Intensity
As far as I can tell they are also continuing to support 1st Edition play in Pathfinder Society even though they won't be producing new scenarios. You can still purchase 10 years of scenarios, register new 1st Edition characters, and local chapters are trying to run 1st Edition events in addition to 2nd Edition and Starfinder.

Locally we have been running into issues finding 1st Edition GMs though.
 

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