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<blockquote data-quote="Xenonnonex" data-source="post: 7808155" data-attributes="member: 7015664">What.I hope you understand why I say your subjective opinion is besides the point. Whether they are innovating mechanics can be objectively quantified. If they are introducing mechanics that are original ideas and new and by that virtue something that has not appeared in 5e. Then yes that is innovation.No I am taking it at face value and I am approaching it from a fair and reasonable viewpoint. And I am giving examples where your statement is demonstrably incorrect. The examples clearly speak for themselves. Thinking my reply to be clearly a dishonest or disingenuous reading is a response in bad faith.Sure we can discuss this further. And we can discuss why you find the examples I have given thus far are considered by you to be retreading similar ideas and reskinning ideas and mechanics. When they are clearly not. I can also find further examples.This is completely and utterly irrelevant.I am specifically asking you. There is no confusion in my framing of the question. I am asking about the players involved in your games. You are simply avoiding answering.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Xenonnonex, post: 7808155, member: 7015664"] What. I hope you understand why I say your subjective opinion is besides the point. Whether they are innovating mechanics can be objectively quantified. If they are introducing mechanics that are original ideas and new and by that virtue something that has not appeared in 5e. Then yes that is innovation. No I am taking it at face value and I am approaching it from a fair and reasonable viewpoint. And I am giving examples where your statement is demonstrably incorrect. The examples clearly speak for themselves. Thinking my reply to be clearly a dishonest or disingenuous reading is a response in bad faith. Sure we can discuss this further. And we can discuss why you find the examples I have given thus far are considered by you to be retreading similar ideas and reskinning ideas and mechanics. When they are clearly not. I can also find further examples. This is completely and utterly irrelevant. I am specifically asking you. There is no confusion in my framing of the question. I am asking about the players involved in your games. You are simply avoiding answering. [/QUOTE]

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