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<blockquote data-quote="GMforPowergamers" data-source="post: 8629219" data-attributes="member: 67338"><p>in another thread we were talking about cantrips. One poster said 'prior to 3e' that wasn't true... but yeah that was 23 years ago now that anything was published by tsr for before 3e. </p><p></p><p>so I got to thinking. in 2024 we have the 50 anniversary and something is coming (is it a redone 5e, is it 5.5 is it 6e, will it just be called D&D anniversary edition? who knows) but come that day in mid august when we all come here to complain or praise or what ever this new product... it will be WotC has owned D&D as long or longer than TSR.</p><p></p><p>in another thread I was told that the half way through a edition is "in the end game of" and the two things together kinda hit my head.</p><p></p><p>so 3e, 4e, and 5e have held out as long as basic, 1e and 2e. realistically the d20 system (3e) was the BIGGEST of the changes and has stuck (I don't see THan0 and non weapons profs rolling below stats coming back anytime soon.)</p><p></p><p>so as we look to 2024 (and in theory into 2034 for the 60th) do 1e or 2e really hold much sway anymore? </p><p></p><p>I have made no bones and hid nothing, 4e was my favorite edition... but 2e and 5e are both neck and neck for second (and 2e got a big head start from rose tinted nostalgia) however we are now looking at player bases that joined in 5e, they never knew Thac0, they never knew a time when Cantrip was a spell you had to prep in a 1st level slot, and they never heard of Save Vs rod staff or wand... but most also don't remember that feats were NEW to many of us old timers. that HP used to be WAY lower...</p><p></p><p>then I thought about the people who never knew what a prestige class was... people that never saw a fighter use "come and get it" and they are still D&D fans playing right now. Going forward a VERY high amount of players and DMs never bought a TSR product... and the longer time goes on the bigger that % becomes. </p><p></p><p>what does this mean for the game I started in 94/95? I don't know. It just is something in my head so now I am forcing you to all think aboout it.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="GMforPowergamers, post: 8629219, member: 67338"] in another thread we were talking about cantrips. One poster said 'prior to 3e' that wasn't true... but yeah that was 23 years ago now that anything was published by tsr for before 3e. so I got to thinking. in 2024 we have the 50 anniversary and something is coming (is it a redone 5e, is it 5.5 is it 6e, will it just be called D&D anniversary edition? who knows) but come that day in mid august when we all come here to complain or praise or what ever this new product... it will be WotC has owned D&D as long or longer than TSR. in another thread I was told that the half way through a edition is "in the end game of" and the two things together kinda hit my head. so 3e, 4e, and 5e have held out as long as basic, 1e and 2e. realistically the d20 system (3e) was the BIGGEST of the changes and has stuck (I don't see THan0 and non weapons profs rolling below stats coming back anytime soon.) so as we look to 2024 (and in theory into 2034 for the 60th) do 1e or 2e really hold much sway anymore? I have made no bones and hid nothing, 4e was my favorite edition... but 2e and 5e are both neck and neck for second (and 2e got a big head start from rose tinted nostalgia) however we are now looking at player bases that joined in 5e, they never knew Thac0, they never knew a time when Cantrip was a spell you had to prep in a 1st level slot, and they never heard of Save Vs rod staff or wand... but most also don't remember that feats were NEW to many of us old timers. that HP used to be WAY lower... then I thought about the people who never knew what a prestige class was... people that never saw a fighter use "come and get it" and they are still D&D fans playing right now. Going forward a VERY high amount of players and DMs never bought a TSR product... and the longer time goes on the bigger that % becomes. what does this mean for the game I started in 94/95? I don't know. It just is something in my head so now I am forcing you to all think aboout it. [/QUOTE]
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