WotC is going ebook at DrivethruRPG...

[Castellan]

It's the same reason there aren't many exploits for Linux, Mac OS or Mozilla. It's not because they're more secure than Windows or Internet Explorer, it's because not enough people use them for anyone to care.

Ehhhhh... Be very careful about muddying the waters with untrue statements. Both Linux and the Mac OS are more secure than Windows for numerous reasons, and the old "security through obscurity" argument has been soundly put in its grave. (Google for a few seconds and you'll find plenty of articles about this from people who really know security.)

DRM engenders feelings akin to the pro-Windows/anti-Windows arguments. Folks who feel strongly one way or another about the topic often end up quoting bogus data or sinking to less-friendly comments (see, "Congratulations, you're a pirate," above) without really taking the time to step back and figure out what's really up.

I'm pretty sure I've read that Windows Media's DRM has been cracked. Check Google again for information on that. Obscurity isn't the best security method. It'll only guard the gate for so long...

 

[Asmor]

1.) You assume that it's illegal in the netherlands.
2.) You assume that i care.

Well, I did assume you were from the US, which was a poor assumption, but as I live in the US all of my arguments are based in the US. And I do not assume you care. On the contrary, I assume you don't, but that's irrelevent.

Circumventing DRM or copyprotection to make a product work on a different media isn't illegal around here, and even if it was... I don't agree with many laws, in most cases it's not worth the trouble to break them, but if i'm not allowed to read, in the comfort of my own, as i please and how i please, then breaking the law is more convenient. Breaking the law has of course consequences... Luckely it's not illegal around to remove the copyprotection or the DRM and doing that doesn't make me a pirate, as i don't redistribute the files without DRM.

I have a decent salary and that allows me to buy the DRMed files (an i've bought for a couple of hundred bucks at DrivethruRPG), the only reason i bought them was because i was confident that i could remove the DRM (eventually), now that i can i am only buying more. If i thought that i couldn't remove/circumvent the DRM, i would never have bought the DRMed pdfs, because they wouldn't be very functional for me. So you could say that the fact that DRM is breakable produced sales at DrivethruRPG ;-)

Whether you agree with the law or not, whether you expect to be caught or not, it is irrelevent. Make no mistake, my argument is entirely based on idealism. I disagree with many of the laws the US has, but I try not to break them. Which is not to say that I don't-- I find going the speed limit is rarely optimal-- but I'd rather not.

If there where more publishers like Baen.com and some of the publishers at RPGnow, i would be happier, but that isn't the reality of the situation. I'm not someone that lets others dictate what I can or cannot do, especially not laws that are passed due to pressure from big multinationals that are so corrupt as hell. I do not vote with my money on issues of rights and restrictions, i break them and i take them. I vote with my money on issues of content quality and i vote when elections are up...

You vote with your money for DRM. Every single PDF-- or any other digital product-- purchased with DRM is a direct blow to the cause of the consumer. If noone bought from vendors that sold DRMed products, they would go out of business. Other vendors would take their place, some might try different DRM schemes, some might try just being a good store. If everyone only bought non DRMed products, no product would have DRM. That is voting with your dollar.

Doing "the right thing" is selling everything you have and dedicating the rest of your life to eleviate the suffering of others. But that's a bit too dedicated for most, and too inefficent for my tastes...

I suppose that depends on your definition of "the right thing." If you are a firm believer that the biggest problem the world has is overpopulation, then the right thing to do is teach and promote proper techniques for cheap, efficient, painless sterilization or suicide. "The right thing" I was referring to was supporting products I like in both a legally and ethically acceptable manner.

ps. Quoting Monopoly opens you up to legal trouble from Hasbro ;-)

Touché

 

[frankthedm]

does "print screen" still work for DRM pdf?

 

[Yair]

I can't purchase from DTRPG. I get an "your Adobe Acticator is not working" error. I gave tried to fix it for twenty minutes, but after failing gave up. Oh well, Mongoose just lost 25$ (Book of Immortals)... ashame they are not working much with RPGNow.

I personally like that pdfs allow me to get the product immediately (boks take a few months to get overseas), use copy-paste from it when needed, and it even costs less (both due to shipping costs and to lower prices). At the high WotC prices, however, I'd probably prefer to wait for a dead-tree version of the books.
A pitty, I was eyes Frostburn favorably...

 

[hellbender]

1.) You assume that it's illegal in the netherlands.
2.) You assume that i care.

Circumventing DRM or copyprotection to make a product work on a different media isn't illegal around here, and even if it was... I don't agree with many laws, in most cases it's not worth the trouble to break them, but if i'm not allowed to read, in the comfort of my own, as i please and how i please, then breaking the law is more convenient. Breaking the law has of course consequences... Luckely it's not illegal around to remove the copyprotection or the DRM and doing that doesn't make me a pirate, as i don't redistribute the files without DRM.

I have a decent salary and that allows me to buy the DRMed files (an i've bought for a couple of hundred bucks at DrivethruRPG), the only reason i bought them was because i was confident that i could remove the DRM (eventually), now that i can i am only buying more. If i thought that i couldn't remove/circumvent the DRM, i would never have bought the DRMed pdfs, because they wouldn't be very functional for me. So you could say that the fact that DRM is breakable produced sales at DrivethruRPG ;-)

If there where more publishers like Baen.com and some of the publishers at RPGnow, i would be happier, but that isn't the reality of the situation. I'm not someone that lets others dictate what I can or cannot do, especially not laws that are passed due to pressure from big multinationals that are so corrupt as hell. I do not vote with my money on issues of rights and restrictions, i break them and i take them. I vote with my money on issues of content quality and i vote when elections are up...

Doing "the right thing" is selling everything you have and dedicating the rest of your life to eleviate the suffering of others. But that's a bit too dedicated for most, and too inefficent for my tastes...

ps. Quoting Monopoly opens you up to legal trouble from Hasbro ;-)

You assume:
1) International copyright law does not apply in the Netherlands. (Psssst, hey, it does, you see, the funny thing is, the Netherlands is still on planet earth, it hasn't been elevated to Heaven. The only legal way around an international copyright law is a product made specifically for that country, which, by law, must be labeled thusly. I have lived in these countries in my travels, you are in violation of international copyright law when you circumnavigate the copyright process.)
2) That you cannot be found, especially with your IP logged here. (Pssst, you can, and quite possibly, the hunt is on!)
3) That you will be overlooked and can continue to flaunt the law. (Guess again, refer to point #2.)

I find you to be an interesting poster, Cergorach. You have no regard for the law as it pertains to copyright (yet professed to being an artist in another thread, which makes no sense, either you are not an artist or you are not an artist who works for money) and live under the impression that somehow the Netherlands is some sort of copyright free Shangri-la. I find it amusing that you break the law, and have the audacity to accuse others here of having tiny brains if they don't see your way of circumventing the law (shame on people for being honest!) when your own posts make no sense. I am almost jealous of your oblivious state of mind.

 

[Henry]

Some people are tired of DRM. Some people are tired of viloators of copyright laws. Yet others are tired of WotC offering PDF's at same price.

Me? I'm tired of people who can't follow a moderator's simple request.

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