WotC Responds!!!

[Dr. Harry]

I am merely pointing out that there seems to be less of a problem around here calling a deviant than there is calling someone a Bible Belter.

My sense of the general reaction has been "Calling someone a 'deviant' instead of dicussing a disagreement civily is wrong. Calling someone an 'extreme' 'Bible belter' instead of dicussing a disagreement civily is wrong.

Holding the position that someone is free to use the methods that they rightfully condemn is wrong-er."

I am not saying that you hold this last position, nor do I think that it seems like you do, but in most cases (wisely, I think) in this thread, an extreme reaction has generally been ignored with the poster somewhat marginalized in the thread altogether. I think your post got noted because:

* it was not bad enough to be disregarded altogether, and

* there was a certain irony, as that individual post seemed to fall in the last category I discussed above. Perceived irony can trigger a reaction that righteous indignation does not.

Harry

 

[Bendris Noulg]

Much of what you have responded to as "condemning, condensending, insultive and derogatory" has been anyone disagreeing with your position or your definition of "censorship".

Take a better look. From page 1 of this thread:

I'm sure it will appeal to those gamers who have as much experience with actual sex as they have with actual elves.

The threads concerning these topics are full of these little insults and insinuations which you would like to imagine don't exist. By calling it "elf porn" and stating that the product shouldn't exist, an implication is made about those who would want the product, an implication that is insultive and rude.

Far be it that those whom are being insulted should actually say anything about it.

 

[Bendris Noulg]

"I'm against censorship and for free speech, but if you don't agree with me then you just shut the hell up."

Is that, what you're saying?

It is what it sounds like.

Than you are having a problem comprehending plain english.

Non-bigoted people (i.e., people not ruled over by the prejudice of ignorance) are willing to listen to opposing thoughts, beliefs and perceptions (not neccessarily change their views, but simply acknowledge that other view exist). There are a lot here that have gotten on their moral high-horse and using that as a justification to ignore the views of others, condeming them as porn-lovers, basement dwellers, sexually inexperienced, and various other commentary.

After all, I'm not saying they don't have a right to speak up. I'm saying that when they do, if they aren't open to discussion or other views or opinions, and are even insultive towards those with those differing views, than they should expect to have the fact that they're close-minded and insultive reflected back in the replies they get. Rather, they'd prefer to make insinuations about those they disagree with and cry "foul!" when those they've insulted speak up against them.

 

[cildarith]

There are a lot here that have gotten on their moral high-horse and using that as a justification to ignore the views of others, condeming them as porn-lovers, basement dwellers, sexually inexperienced, and various other commentary.

"Thou protesteth too much."

 

[Dr. Harry]

Take a better look. From page 1 of this thread:

I'm sure it will appeal to those gamers who have as much experience with actual sex as they have with actual elves.

The threads concerning these topics are full of these little insults and insinuations which you would like to imagine don't exist. By calling it "elf porn" and stating that the product shouldn't exist, an implication is made about those who would want the product, an implication that is insultive and rude.

Far be it that those whom are being insulted should actually say anything about it.

Reread your own posts. Most of the people you use this same tactic against are *not* ones who ever used it against you.

I would agree with "Far be it that those that feel an approach offensive use exactly the same approach themselves."

The post I am responding to right here is "full of these little insults and insinuations" such as making a caricature of someone else's stated position.

I consider calling the product "elf porn" and saying "the product shouldn't exist" as two wildly different statements. I would agree that the first is insulting and objectionable but the second is an expression of opinion.

If you don't like the implication *that you draw from that opinion* you could always try and clarify the matter instead of reacting in, well, other ways.

For myself, I'll be happy if a product such as one described by the press release never sees the light of day. You know what that says about you? Nothing!

It seems as if someone is "insulting" you or "censoring" you if they are not actively supporting the situation you want to see. You could clarify this by answering some of the explicit question in some of the most recent posts.

 

[Henry]

This thread has gotten fairly personal, and very astray from the topic. It's time to clsoe this one down.