[WOTC] Revised Corebooks for July confirmed with info

[Jarval]

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If all of the changes are OGL then there's nothing stopping someone from printing up such a ten-dollar booklet, is there?

This is where the real issue is. If the changes are OGL, and made part of the SRD, then I doubt anyone will complain. In fact, most people are likely to agree, since we all have our pet peeves with the rules system as it stands.

I can't seriously imagine they won't add the changes to the SRD, just because they'll annoy all the 3rd party publishers, so I doubt we've got anything to worry about. Still, I'd like to hear from AV on this issue.

 

[MerakSpielman]

I must admit that I get a cheap laugh out of imagining how much errata is going to be needed for this 960-page behemoth.

I like to think that this version will be the super errata-fixed version of the original version...

But you're probably right anyway.

I think it's about time. Honestly, people were running out of new things to complain about on these boards. A new version (with tweaked classes) will give the "it's broken" complainers a lot of new ammunition. Freshen things up a bit.

 

[tbug]

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are you saying that they wont be ogl because someone can simply make a cheap little 10 book out of the "revision" or are you saying they will be ogl so someone can go ahead and make the little book?


joe b.

I wasn't actually trying to say either of those things. I don't know whether or not the changes will be OGL. If they are, though, then I think that it's conceivable that we'll see them collected someplace in booklet form.

For what it's worth, I expect I'll be buying new copies regardless.

Cheers.

Dale

 

[kenjib]

Before mini's I found combat more narative and hand things like people leaping on tables, swinging from chandeliars (sp?), etc.
and graphic discriptions of monsters could be scary.

Now its more move the little figure here, hit that other little figure. No matter how scary your discription is no one is scared when you plonk an inch-high lump of metal on the table.

Exactly! That's what I was getting at. My DM is good at winging it, so we just rely on him for flanking, AOO, tumbling, etc. As long as there are no rules lawyers it all works out just fine.

It's all a matter of preference though. Personally I like visualizing things my own way in my mind and cheesed little figures interferes with that a little (cool as the paint job may be, it will never look anywhere nearly as good as what I see in my head). I can see why some people like miniatures. I'm just a bit concerned to see the game move even more in that direction, as I consider it somewhat overly weighted in that direction already.

Miniatures are too expensive and time consuming for me as well. Even with counters, you can't get everything you need so you end up with the ultra frightening amorphous play-doh shape of doom, the "let's just pretend this goblin is a fire elemental" of destruction, the "hey this matchbox car is the same dimension as a young dragon" of fiery perdition, and the "I drew this ugly scribble myself" of annihilation.

Standard disclaimer, only personal preference, etc. etc. etc.

 

[kenjib]

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If all of the changes are OGL then there's nothing stopping someone from printing up such a ten-dollar booklet, is there?

Ten dollars? I'm thinking more along the lines of a free barebones PDF file. Get a few people together here on ENWorld to distribute the workload and get the job done. I'd be more than happy to pitch in, myself.

 

[Zaruthustran]

WotC = responsible

To all those B&Ming about this revision:

What would you, as WotC, do if you saw all the anguish and endless, endless, endless arguments over "x got the shaft", "y is ken", "does spring attack beat Reach?", "is Shield an Armor bonus?" and so on?

Well I hope you'd try to fix your product. I hope you'd realize that errata and shifty FAQ's just aren't doing the job. I hope you'd say "Hey, let's clean up our game and release a revised edition."

I'm sure glad that WotC made that exact decision.

-z

PS: What I'm really excited about is the mention of miniatures. I'd love to see a line of cheap prepainted plastic minis, and the fabled resurection of Chainmail.

 

[nobodez]

Speaking of Minis...

I know of a great thing for those extra 80-100 pages in the DMG...

Massive Combat Rules!

HEck, I'd buy the RDMG just for this, that is, if it ever happens.

I can see it now...The Battle of Helms Deep d20.

Hey, and with MASSIVE being the name of the program used in the battles in LotR anyway, a MASSIVE combat rules system would be about right!

Oh,a nd BTW, I've got a really bad copy of the PHB1 I bought in October 2000, a slightly nicer PHB2 from shortly after those came out, adn now I'm gonna have a nice new, and soon to be tabbed (makes flipping pages much quicker) PHB3/RPHB!

 

[JRRNeiklot]

Where's Henry's new sig?

C'mon July!

 

[John Crichton]

I think the people expressing a bit of disappointment over this do have some basis for it. I suspect it wouldn't be nearly as great if it weren't for the fact that it is coming so soon. The price of the 3 core books represents a sizable investment for many--and they expect it to remain relatively current for more than a few years.

So soon? At least we have some time to put money away for it. If you are in the US, it's simply a matter of putting aside around $15 a month if you get all 3 or just $6 if you are picking up the RPHB.

Plus, I don't think one would have to buy it right away. Most folks can take a look at a friends (like me, the guy who has to have everything the first day available) or stop by a store for a peek. Decide for yourself whether or not it's worth a purchase. If it'll make the game better for you, it would be worth the money. If not, use the old PHB.

Note: Thorvald Kviksverd, this wasn't directed at you but more at the general populous against the revised movement. You just had something good I could quote.

 

[Negative Zero]

major rant ahead, avoid if you're likely to be easily offended:

y'know, people get on my nerves a lot. to everyone who's griping about the new version and its relative costs, think about this:

would you say that you've gotten 20 dollars of value out of your copy of the PHB? i'm not a betting sort, but i'd wager that you've gotten a hell of a lot more value from it. here in NYC a movie will run you 10 bucks. have you gotten more enjoyment from the last 2 years of playing DnD than ANY 2 movies you've seen in the same time? what about music? the average CD will cost anywhere from $13-$18. have you had more fun playing DnD than the last 2 CDs you bought?

try to keep things in perspective. publishing, COSTS. development, COSTS. entertainment, COSTS. ever been to play LaserTag? how much did it cost you to play it for 15-20 mins? what about going to dinner, how much did that set you back? trip to GenCon? RenFaire? average board game? comic books? how much money have you spent at Blockbuster in the last month? PC/PS2/XBox/GameCube games?

if you're griping about the cost of a new revised (and i'm betting, likely to be improved) issue of the books that likely give you the most consistently good time that you've had in the last several years, then you're ungrateful at best. what you are at worst, i won't post here out of respect for Eric's Grandma.

get a grip already. it's call progress. it's really funny how everyone ALWAYS complains whenever something new happens. this irrational fear of change is really pathetic and all too common. especially considering how essential it is to human survival and sanity.

as for this person from south africa complaining about world politics and economics and exchange rates, take it up with your government and don't hold WotC responsible. your money is devalued. it happens. deal. and as an aside, don't try to make it sound like you're paying US$300 for it. you're not. begging for sympathy is just sad. and before you get all high and mighty; my home country has a ty conversion rate too.

the bottom line. if you want the enjoyment, pay. entertainment costs money. otherwise, go to a free park, and stick to the books that you already own.

~NegZ