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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Orcus" data-source="post: 4127808" data-attributes="member: 1254">I'm not trying to argue here, but since the gentleperson's agreement started as an email addressed to me from Ryan I think I have a pretty good grasp on how it started. At the very beginning, there was no SRD, there was a direction that you can use stuff from the books but just not XYZ. Then there was the informal SRD. Then the formal SRD. I agree the difference between the informal SRD and formal SRD were small. But the difference is the word "formal." Just like right now, we dont have any clue what will be in the GSL/OGL/new SRD/whatever. We did not have the OGL at first. We had a draft. In fact, we didnt have a full d20STL either but we did have the logo.If you want proof of what we had and didnt have, just look at the designation from our Wizard's Amulet, which was available on the very first second that OGL stuff could be distributed. As you can see, we didnt have the final versions of the licenses. Frankly, this was a horrible way to do it but it was the best way I could think of at the time. My approach here led to significant discussion of whether or not you could refer to the license at another location (the answer was no, which I agree with). But all those rules were unsettled at the time. We were working with drafts and working from the books.</blockquote>