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<blockquote data-quote="TwinBahamut" data-source="post: 3713548" data-attributes="member: 32536">I wish that the whole Vancian system would completely vanish, myself. It requires a lot of book-keeping (more than fits on a character sheet), is mostly illogical (well, Wizards anyways, Socerers are logical enough), requires far too much time looking in books for specific spell effects, and requires far too much space in books dedicated to listing out hundreds of spells. Also, the whole premise of a character who alternates between being stronger than anyone else and useless is flawed. Attrition is a great concept, but everyone in the party should be losing resources at the same rate, or else the idea is highly undermined. Having weak characters who fight all day and strong characters who can fight for a limited amount of time will inherently lead to problems, for many reasons.I would prefer an expanded Warlock-style or Tome of Battle-style magic system, or some mechanic in which the primary limitations on a mage's ability to use magic are both the cost he is willing to pay in some resource, and the time he wants to spend casting the spell. After all, it is hard to justify that instant effects like Fireball and complex spells that take an hour to complete both require the same resource of a spell slot, when they seem like they should be so different... Argh, I am not explaining this very well...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="TwinBahamut, post: 3713548, member: 32536"] I wish that the whole Vancian system would completely vanish, myself. It requires a lot of book-keeping (more than fits on a character sheet), is mostly illogical (well, Wizards anyways, Socerers are logical enough), requires far too much time looking in books for specific spell effects, and requires far too much space in books dedicated to listing out hundreds of spells. Also, the whole premise of a character who alternates between being stronger than anyone else and useless is flawed. Attrition is a great concept, but everyone in the party should be losing resources at the same rate, or else the idea is highly undermined. Having weak characters who fight all day and strong characters who can fight for a limited amount of time will inherently lead to problems, for many reasons. I would prefer an expanded Warlock-style or Tome of Battle-style magic system, or some mechanic in which the primary limitations on a mage's ability to use magic are both the cost he is willing to pay in some resource, and [i]the time he wants to spend casting the spell[/i]. After all, it is hard to justify that instant effects like [i]Fireball[/i] and complex spells that take an hour to complete both require the same resource of a spell slot, when they seem like they should be so different... Argh, I am not explaining this very well... [/QUOTE]

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